A slave's testimony is not legally valid without their master's permission. A slave is not a person before the law, therefore their testimony is invaid inless sanctioned by their master.
Wednesday, August 27, 2025
Outlawry
Outlawry is the most severe punishment, as it removes a person from the protection of the city's laws, leaving them to be hunted and killed by anyone.
Tal
Tal means "So be it" or "It is what it is," signifying acceptance of a ruling.
In a legal conxtext, "Tal" signigies a Gorean's acceptance of a judgment, regardless of personal feelings on the matter.
Sunday, August 24, 2025
Brand Removal
[12:33] Ashka (ashka.nightfire): Question!? Does anyone know if - Brand Removal - was in the books? Quotes? Support of this happening?
[12:33] Astary Pendragon: Yes it was
[12:34] Abraham Jacobson (abrahamjacobs2): good question
[12:37] Darius Starr (dark.starr): "The brand was removed," said Ruffio. "The matter was attended to by discrete members of the green caste. They did well. Their instruments were skillfully handled. Their creams and salves are effective. She is healing rapidly. Her thigh is now as smooth as silk."
Warriors of Gor Book 37 Pages 516 - 517
[12:37] Ashka (ashka.nightfire): Bless you! Thank you.
[12:38] Darius Starr (dark.starr): There are others to support it. And with the rampant hurry to brand/pierce/destroy a womans life it is necessary to know.
Wednesday, August 20, 2025
Custom Branding for Characters
This conversation revolves around Aric's request for a custom "branding" for a character named Fire (and possibly himself), leading to a discussion about the creation, purpose, and lore of such brands within the context of their role-playing environment.
Here's a summary:
Main Topic: Custom Branding for Characters
Participants: Aric, Kailias, Theron, Too Pretty to Think, Kartane, Flo, Toi Armani Skolldir, Kaster Slade, Montell Lovejoy, Vosathiel Ravenwood, Be, Sylvi Amour, Passion.
Key Points:
Aric's Request: Aric initially asks if any "slaver or Smith" is available to do a "branding." When the immediate opportunity for a full role-play (RP) branding passes, he shifts to asking about creating a custom "A" brand for "Fire" and "Flame." He specifies he doesn't want a "kef" (a type of brand mentioned by others) but a simple "A."
Brand Creation:
Kailias asks if Aric is looking for "BOM layers" (a technical term likely related to how virtual items are applied in their platform).
Too Pretty to Think and Flo recommend a "kef" from "FLO," providing marketplace links. Aric states he doesn't want a kef.
Kartane reveals that she makes brands and explicitly states she made Fire's original brand, offering to create a custom "A" brand that blends with Fire's existing one. She invites Aric to provide details on Discord.
Vosathiel Ravenwood interjects, claiming anyone with basic image editing skills can make a custom brand, which leads to a minor disagreement with Kartane and Toi, who defend the skill involved in creating quality brands. This exchange is quickly diffused.
Discussion on Custom Brands and Lore:
Aric suggests "AoS" (Aric of Selnar) for his brand to make it unique, acknowledging that a simple "A" could be mistaken for others.
Be and Toi discuss the practicalities and humorous aspects of custom brands in a scenario where a branded character might be sold multiple times. Be jokes about a "trail of strikouts" down the leg.
Toi and Kartane clarify "merchant law" regarding branded slaves for public sale and that breeding/major slaver houses would use custom brands for identification, similar to livestock branding in real life.
Sylvi and Be discuss the aesthetics of brands, noting that modern virtual brands ("dinas") are prettier and smaller than older, larger ones.
The conversation briefly shifts to other topics, like Gilded Age season and new shows.
Sylvi expresses gladness that Toi (a physician) is still active, as many physicians have left.
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[09:43] Aric (orionbound): any slaver or Smith on?
[09:43] Kailias (kailias.lightcloud): Yes.
[09:44] Aric (orionbound): wanna do a branding lol?
[09:46] Aric (orionbound): nvm she's gotta go to rl soon 🙃 I can at least do the rp of setting up a time perhaps
[09:46] Kailias (kailias.lightcloud): Fair enough.
[09:48] Theron (sagunn): *tosses Aric a branding iron and a fire starter*
[09:48] Theron (sagunn): No time like the present
[09:48] Aric (orionbound): lol I wanna see if anyone knows how to make a brand first
[09:49] Aric (orionbound): so I can get a simple A done.
[09:49] Kailias (kailias.lightcloud): Like BOM layers?
[09:50] Aric (orionbound): mhmmm?
[09:50] Aric (orionbound): idk how or id take a whack at it.
[09:51] ᴛᴏᴏ ᴘʀᴇᴛᴛʏ ᴛᴏ ᴛʜɪɴᴋ (aspen.candyclaws): if you are looking for a simple kef the one from FLO is wonderful
[09:51] Kartane (laiastar): >:L Aric, you already know I make them
[09:51] Kartane (laiastar): If you're making one for Fire
[09:52] Flo (floreo): yes, the Flo one is amazing
[09:52] Flo (floreo): I am wearing it too
[09:52] Flo (floreo): at the moment
[09:53] Flo (floreo): let me find the MP links
[09:53] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel) walked into the infrimary and well stopped behind a red head. She looked the girl over and then down to her feet*"Are you having issues with your feet?"She said to the girl and arched a brow at her*
[09:53] Theron (sagunn): pokes her in to local chat
[09:53] Aric (orionbound): lol for fire and flame
[09:53] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): i mean Kartane is an excellent content creator
[09:54] Kartane (laiastar): He wants a custom brand, not a typical one, and I've made custom for him before
[09:54] Kaster Slade: Hey Aric. What text viewer do you use?
[09:54] Montell Lovejoy: ^ +1, she is
[09:54] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): she did kennel Camisk for me when i helped run a Kennel when i was a private Physician
[09:54] Flo (floreo): https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/FLO-brand-Ornate-Kef-2K-BoM-tattoo/27312947
[09:54] Aric (orionbound): lumiya
[09:54] Aric (orionbound): the best one
[09:54] Flo (floreo): https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/FLO-brand-Kef-2K-BoM-tattoo/27217229
[09:54] Aric (orionbound): I dont want a kef lol
[09:54] Kaster Slade: Does it also have a PC version?
[09:55] Aric (orionbound): no?
[09:55] Vosathiel Ravenwood: Anyone with some basic photoshop / gimp / whatever skills and half a brain can make a custom brand.
[09:55] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): ouch
[09:55] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): pretends to be offended
[09:56] Kartane (laiastar): Thats kinda mean, everyone does brands differently, and there is such a thing as a BAD brand
[09:57] Vosathiel Ravenwood: You calling people's art bad?
[09:57] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): alright lets change subject before this turns into a arguement
[09:57] Aric (orionbound): sighs this is what I get for asking questions
[09:57] ᴛᴏᴏ ᴘʀᴇᴛᴛʏ ᴛᴏ ᴛʜɪɴᴋ (aspen.candyclaws): Enough.
[09:57] Kartane (laiastar): Im not getting into this
[09:58] ᴛᴏᴏ ᴘʀᴇᴛᴛʏ ᴛᴏ ᴛʜɪɴᴋ (aspen.candyclaws): Aric what are you looking for specifically?
[09:58] Kartane (laiastar): Aric, if you want help making a custom brand I would love to do one =)
[09:58] Vosathiel Ravenwood: I'm being a contrarian, not actually angry. :p
[09:58] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): i think he wants a custome brand.. im guessing
[09:58] Aric (orionbound): idk something that would look like it blended well with Fires brand
[09:58] Be (before.nightfall): I'll say it...yes, some things are bad. Some things are good. All in the eye of the beholder, and all are allowed opinions.
[09:58] ᴛᴏᴏ ᴘʀᴇᴛᴛʏ ᴛᴏ ᴛʜɪɴᴋ (aspen.candyclaws): Kartane is pro at texture work.
[09:58] Aric (orionbound): but made it look more like a A
[09:58] Kartane (laiastar): I made fire's brand, I can make another <3
[09:58] Aric (orionbound): oooo then you'd know how to do it
[09:58] Kartane (laiastar): I have the original files so I can add a few lines here and there =)
[09:59] Kartane (laiastar): Hit me with the info on discord, and I'll get it done >^-^<
[09:59] Aric (orionbound): id say aos but that'd be to much and look like crap lol
[09:59] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): and she is off
[10:00] Aric (orionbound): aka AoS for Aric of Selnar as if its just a A itd be easy for anyone else with A name to be like thats mine lol 😆
[10:00] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): thats why we have paperwork
[10:01] Aric (orionbound): paperwork can be forged :P
[10:01] Be (before.nightfall): But then if Aric leaves Selnar...
[10:01] Be (before.nightfall): they gon have to strike that out and put another letter
[10:01] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): he tkes her paper work and has it redone whereever he goes
[10:01] Be (before.nightfall): she'll have a trail of strikouts down her leg.
[10:01] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): lol Be
[10:01] Be (before.nightfall): Custom brands always made me laugh lol
[10:02] Sylvi Amour: Nothing wrong with a simple dina. I think they are pretty.
[10:03] passion (tendai.jules): that's what I wear
[10:03] Be (before.nightfall): I love Dinas. I think my issue has always been that back when...most brands were so big and ugly
[10:03] Be (before.nightfall): But the one I wear is smaller and higher on the hip
[10:03] Sylvi Amour: I have not branded Ava, as I don't intend to sell her, lol
[10:03] Sylvi Amour: oh they make them so pretty now!!
[10:04] Aric (orionbound): why custom brands are very gorean
[10:04] Be (before.nightfall): They are...but they make me laugh
[10:05] Be (before.nightfall): I can't think logically if the girl is sold...how does that work? She'd literally have a line of brands down her thigh
[10:05] Sylvi Amour: I am so sad Gilded Age season is over. Now i'm watching Blood of my Blood and it is soooooooooooooooooo goooooood
[10:05] ᴛᴏᴏ ᴘʀᴇᴛᴛʏ ᴛᴏ ᴛʜɪɴᴋ (aspen.candyclaws): Why would she be rebranded if sold?
[10:05] Sylvi Amour: she's never been branded
[10:05] Be (before.nightfall): The next owner would keep a custom brand on a slave he bought?
[10:06] Sylvi Amour: I didn't buy her
[10:06] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): slaves can not be sold if they are not branded... Merchant law
[10:06] ᴛᴏᴏ ᴘʀᴇᴛᴛʏ ᴛᴏ ᴛʜɪɴᴋ (aspen.candyclaws): He doesn't have much of a choice.
[10:06] Be (before.nightfall): So like if guy two bought the slave, with guy one's brand...how's that work
[10:06] Kartane (laiastar): Actually Toi, if you read it properly, a branded slave is for PUBLIC sale.
[10:06] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): now if someone is not going to sell their slave then no they do not have to be branded
[10:06] ᴛᴏᴏ ᴘʀᴇᴛᴛʏ ᴛᴏ ᴛʜɪɴᴋ (aspen.candyclaws): Then she still has the brand
[10:06] Be (before.nightfall): Yah, that's how I mean it.
[10:06] Be (before.nightfall): So...custom brands just make me chuckle.
[10:07] ᴛᴏᴏ ᴘʀᴇᴛᴛʏ ᴛᴏ ᴛʜɪɴᴋ (aspen.candyclaws): Custom brands make sense.
[10:07] Be (before.nightfall): Dude three walkin around with a slave that says 'dude one' on her thigh
[10:07] Kartane (laiastar): Either way, custom brands existed in the books.
[10:07] Be (before.nightfall): i know they did. I'm not arguing that.
[10:07] Kartane (laiastar): So how about those kittens
[10:07] Sylvi Amour: I know one guy who has a custom brand that is ginormous it covers the whole upper thigh
[10:07] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): i mean breeding houses and major slaver houses would have a custome brand so everyone knew where said slave came form
[10:07] Be (before.nightfall): I just say it makes me chuckle
[10:07] ᴛᴏᴏ ᴘʀᴇᴛᴛʏ ᴛᴏ ᴛʜɪɴᴋ (aspen.candyclaws): Slavers would want people to know that a slave was from their house simillar to how bred livestock is handled on Earth.
[10:07] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): mmhmm
[10:08] Aric (orionbound): exactly
[10:08] Be (before.nightfall): I get it. I'm not saying it's not done, lmao.
[10:08] Be (before.nightfall): Never did
[10:08] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): ahh
[10:08] Be (before.nightfall): I'm sayign it makes me laugh. That's literally all
[10:08] Sylvi Amour: I'm not saying it's not pretty but it's huge, you can see the brand the slave coming a pasang away
[10:08] Be (before.nightfall): damn
[10:09] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): lol Sylvi
[10:09] Sylvi Amour: hehe
[10:09] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): i mean there would be no way to hide that brand then or cover it up with another
[10:10] Be (before.nightfall): evah
[10:10] Sylvi Amour: Toi
[10:10] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): yes?
[10:10] Sylvi Amour: I'm so glad you stay here and have not left!!!
[10:10] Sylvi Amour: so glad
[10:10] Sylvi Amour: so many physicians have left.
[10:10] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): why would i leave? i love rping with so many here
[10:11] Toi Armani Skolldir (babeangel): and yes but we are getting more
[10:11] Sylvi Amour: yeah right? This is the best place.
[10:11] Sylvi Amour: Great!
Scribe Code Aphorisms
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Created by Ashllee McBride
SCRIBE CODE APHORISMS
There are three core values of a scribe: Integrity, Objectivity and Duty. All other values spring from these three core values.
ON THE INTEGRITY OF A SCRIBE
1. As rain falls upon the tree and only nourishes it, as water flows around the rock and never moves it, so the Scribe among words from above and surrounding: nourished, and unmoved.
2. As the tree bends and never breaks, as the rock guides the flow around its base, so the Scribe stands true and guiding in any circumstance.
3. A tree stands: though hot winds and cold rains pummel, it remains a tree; though lightning strikes, it does not change the tree to lesser things.
4. The wind will blow, and the willow may weep, but the oak will stand, as solid as a keep.
5. Do not fix your concentration upon a single object, action or goal. Be as expansive as the wind, as flexible as the reed, as fluid as Thassa. To be otherwise is to limit oneself to dire predictability.
6. Only a sharp weapon can kill cleanly. Only a calm mind can act swiftly.
7. To a Scribe, words are binding; the Codes of his caste are the most binding of all.
8. Q. What are the Codes of a Scribe?
A. They are the golden threads, binding the lore of the past with the actions of the present and weaving the pattern of the future.
9. It is wisdom to know others; it is Mastery to know oneself. The Master of men is powerful; the Master of himself is greater. Endurance is to live long and die; Mastery is to die and not perish.
10. The Scribe is always honest within himself, and in his dealings with others.
11. Choose wisely the thoughts you express; it is all too easy for the owner of an open mouth to create the impression that his head is filled only with hot air.
ON THE OBJECTIVITY OF A SCRIBE
12. Seeing by daylight, the work reveals itself plainly; seeing by candlelight, the shadows cast new interest, a new work of art. The Scribe sees in many shades, in many lights, the whole and the parts, without awareness of one's own eyes that look.
13. A dull quill will not write clearly. A torn parchment makes poor copy. A soft wit cannot discern. A slow mind does not argue well.
14. A large scroll requires two hands to hold and read. A complex issue is best resolved with several minds, working to find a reasonable solution.
15. The simplest solution is the best, it cuts like a razor, and leaves no trace of unrelated and unnecessary rationale.
16. In matters of logic, let you be as clear as a mountain spring, as sharp as the cry of an osprey, and as firm as the bedrock.
17. A careless mind betrays its weakness, in debate, observe your opponent's mind, and you shall prevail.
18. To think without confusion, to write with clarity, to argue without anguish, to debate without interference of unneeded arguments, that is the goal of all goals, the inner clarity will bring out triumph.
19. When your opponent thinks of an argument, then is the time to make you point. When he decides to retract, then you press the issue. There is no more powerful ally than to interrupt the flow of your opponent's argument, you tangle his wit and you gain the scales of triumph.
20. What is the scribe's greatest enemy? The unrebutted argument made by an opponent. Do not leave unanswered any claim made by an opponent.
21. Within the compass of a person's own quill, that person is ubar of their own mind.
22. To best understand your position, look at if from the view point of your opponent.
23. To be objective, one must set aside prejudice and weak thoughts, and fairly judge competing sides of the argument.
24. A wise person will concede a weak point, so that the points of strength will shine forth, unobscured by the cloud of weaker arguments.
25. Know everything. Overlook nothing. See that which cannot be seen.
26. If you find yourself awash in a sea of words, a short phrase will serve as the best raft.
ON THE DUTY OF A SCRIBE
27. As the natural way of flowers to the sun, as the natural way of tarns to true mastery, such is the Scribe in the service of truth.
28. When you argue a point of law or practice, remember the owl. From on high he is silent, when the mouse appears, he strikes.
29. The winds may blow in a new direction and the sun to move across the sky but it is the service of a scribe to consistently listen to the sounds of those around them.
30. It is not with those we agree but those that we disagree that brings about new knowledge and insight.
31. Watch. Observe. See. Know. Understand. Act.
32. Those who know, speak not! Those who speak, know not.
33. Thirty spokes will converge at the hub of a wheel... but the use of the cart depends upon the empty spaces between the spokes. A clay bowl is bounded by a wall all around... but the use of the bowl will depend upon the empty space within. Build a cylinder to the sky...walls 1000 feet high! But the use of the structure will depend upon the empty space within! So advantage is to be had from the solidity of things... but their usefulness must depend upon the spaces within, and what things they contain.
34. Only a fool seeks fire with a lighted torch.
35. As a warrior must train constantly with the blade and the spear and the bow, so must a scribe seek ever greater skill with his quill, his ink, and his wit, for these are the weapons of his Art.
36. A scribe becomes familiar with every art he encounters, and learns the Codes of other Castes.
37. The signpost knows the difference between divergent roads; the scribe knows the difference between right and wrong. Their purposes are similar.
38. A day in which nothing is learned is a waste of both sunlight and candle wax.
Tuesday, August 19, 2025
Scroll #2 Laws and Legal Principles
http://www.geocities.com/delphius2002/id18.htm
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(Scroll #2)
Laws and Legal Principles
(Essay #2)
"Too, I considered the nature of legalities. One tends, if na?ve, to think of those legalities with which one is most familiar as being somehow the only ones possible. This view, of course, is quite mistaken. This is not to deny that all civilizations, and cultures, have their own customs and legalities. It is only to remark that they need not be the same. Indeed, the legalities with which I was most familiar, as they stood in contradiction to nature, constituted, I supposed, in their way, an aberration of legalities. They were, at the least, uncharacteristic of most cultures, and historically atypical. To be sure, if the intent is to contradict nature rather than fulfill her, there was doubtless much point to them. Thusly, that they produced human pain and social chaos, with all the miseries attendant thereupon, would not be seen as an objection to them but rather as the predictable result of their excellence in the light of their objectives. But not all legalities, of course, need have such objectives. As I lay there in the darkness, in my chains, and considered the factuality and simplicity of my predicament, and the apparently practical and routine aspects of my helplessness and incarceration, I suspected that my current situation was not at all likely to be in violation of legalities. Rather I suspected it was in full and conscious accord with them. I suspected that I was now, or soon would be, enmeshed in legalities. To be sure, these would be different legalities from those with which I was most familiar. These would be, I suspected, legalities founded not on politics, but biology." ---Witness of Gor, p.9
Legal Systems
There are two primary legal systems in the cities of Gor, that of the civil government and that of the Initiate Caste. The areas of jurisdiction of these two different systems is sometimes vague though the Initiates do claim supreme authority in all matters. But, the amount of actual involvement of the Initiates in each city will vary depending on the Caste's power in that specific city. They obviously have a stronger hold in some areas than others. For the most part, they will definitely claim jurisdiction in any religious related matter. They will often ignore petty civil matters that they feel are beneath their worry. The strength of the civil government, and their concern about specific matters, will also affect jurisdictional matters.
Each of these two court systems will possess their own buildings to handle their legal matters. For the civil government, many of their legal offices will be located within the vast Central Cylinder, which is commonly the seat of government. There might also be a Cylinder of Justice where trials and punishments are conducted. Atop some such Cylinders, such as in the city of Ar, there will be a large impaling spike. It is a functional spike, used for actual impalements. A city might also have a Cylinder of Documents where legal and official documents are securely stored. The Initiates are likely to have most of their legal offices in their temples.
Within a city, the type of ruler will determine who is the ultimate law maker. The dictatorial forms, such as a Ubar, Ubara and Tatrix, possess the power to change any law by simple decree. An Administrator though does not have such absolute power. Instead, he must work closely with the High Council of the city to get laws passed. Despite their power though, the Ubar, Ubara and Tatrix are still subject to their own laws. If they violate a law, they cannot then retroactively change it to avoid the violation. Talena, Ubara of Ar in Magicians of Gor, tried to do that exact thing when she fell afoul of the couching law of Ar. But, even though she was Ubara, she could not retroactively change the law to avoid committing such a violation.
Within a city, you are most likely to encounter the legal officials of the civil government, no matter what type of ruler is in control. These legal officials are commonly referred to as magistrates and there are a variety of different types of magistrates. As legal matters apparently fall under the purview of the Scribe Caste, most magistrates likely belong to the Scribe Caste. For example, attorneys are a subcaste of the Scribe's Caste. Magistrates often wear special robes and fillets, ribbons, to denote their office. They may also carry a wand of their office and some of those wands may carry concealed blades. Magistrates are able to act as ex officio witnesses who can certify the legality of certain matters. They also can rule in certain legal matters without the need for a trial.
Some of the different types of magistrates known to exist on Gor include aediles, archons, praetors, prefects and quaestors. These terms are derived from ancient Greek or Roman terms that they used for magistrates and other officials. Executioners on Gor are also a type of magistrate. The exact duties of each type of magistrate on Gor is very unclear as the books provide little explanation or detail. Some brief details are provided, but insufficient to determine whether such details are the extent of the duties of the magistrates.
For example, an individual known as the "records officer" is also called the "archon" of records thus indicating that an archon is a type of officer. An archon, with an office in Venna, tried to identify the owners of slaves that were lost or had run away. The slaves would be displayed in the office and if the owners could not be located, the slaves would be auctioned. A prefect was seen certifying documents with a seal, like a notary. He also was able to enact a legal enslavement, pronouncing that a female debtor was a slave because she could not pay her debts. There was a commercial praetor who possessed jurisdiction over the business court, subject ultimately to the High Council. This praetor was able to attest to a ransom payment for a free woman.
Most Gorean law is municipal law, restricted to each individual city. But, there is one type of law that does extend coverage over the various cities of Gor. This is Merchant Law, a joint legal agreement between the various Merchant Castes of different cities. Merchant Law permits commerce to exist much more easily on Gor. The books do not provide a comprehensive description of everything covered under Merchant Law though some provisions are given. But, Merchant law does not cover all aspects of commerce. There are gaps in that law, though efforts are made to close those gaps. Aspects of Merchant Law are most often decided at the Sardar Fairs, when Merchants from all over Gor meet to discuss such issues.
To administer and enforce Merchant law, there are specific Merchant magistrates. These magistrates belong to the Merchant Caste and not the Scribe Caste. They are separate from the other magistrates. Merchant magistrates wear white robes, trimmed with gold and purple. They too have the power to make some legal decisions without the need for a formal trial.
There are few details provided on Gorean trial procedures. Criminal defendants can be treated quite harshly. Prisoners, of either gender, are rarely pampered. They are often kept naked in their cells and denied even the availability of a bath. It is unknown whether bail exists or not. From the scant information in the books on trials, it seems a person is presumed innocent until found guilty. It does not seem that the accused must prove his innocence but rather that the state must prove his guilt. This is only speculation though. Certain crimes are described as felonies so there are likely misdemeanors as well, though the difference between the two is not given and few crimes are specifically delineated as one or the other.
There are magistrate hearings and jury trials. The books do not clarify which crimes can be handled by which judicial method. There is no indication on what type of crimes warrant a jury trial. In the few magistrate hearings that are described in the books, they are often quick matters. Though these hearings usually deal with quite clear cut matters, with little room for ambiguity. There also does not appear to be any appeal from the decision of these magistrates as sentence is often enacted immediately after a decision is made. We do know that a defendant can acquire immunity from prosecution if they provide assistance in the prosecution of someone else.
"More broadly, order and structure in human life, stability in society, even, in a sense, civilization itself, depends on sanctions. A civilization must be willing to impose sanctions, and to impose them reliably and efficiently. A lapse in such resolve and practice is a symptom of decline, even of impending disintegration. Ultimately civilization depends upon power, moral and physical, upon, so to speak, the will of masters and the reality of the whip and sword."
---Magicians of Gor, p.124
Punishments for the violation of Gorean law can be quite severe. Capital punishment is common for a wide variety of offenses and some of those offenses are not what many on Earth would consider serious crimes. Mutilation, enslavement and exile are other common punishments. For particularly heinous offenses, torture may precede death. There are some lesser penalties as well, such as fines.
Impalement is a common method of capital punishment for both free men and women. Men would be bound but women are usually just set upon the spear. It is not necessary to bind them as they cannot reach the spear or get the leverage to remove themselves. Such a fate is a slow death, giving people the time to consider and be remorseful for their crimes. Slaves though are not commonly impaled. They would be far more likely just tossed to a sleen. But, there are offenses where impalement of a slave does occur.
In the northern forests, hanging and hamstringing are common punishments. When a person is hamstrung, the two large tendons behind each knee are cut. The legs may then no longer be contracted and become basically useless. You can't even stand erect anymore. Such individuals often end up as pitiful beggars, pulling themselves along with their hands and arms.
The Frame of Humiliation is a unique punishment. The Frame is a hollow wooden frame to which a condemned person is tied. He is then set adrift on the Vosk River and the frame will float atop the water. The person might then die of exposure, dehydration, or be eaten by tharlarion or other carnivorous reptiles. Custom dictates that the person placed onto the frame is to be spit upon before being placed into the water. Other cities and areas have their own unique punishments as well.
"Before the sword," he said, "there is no right, no wrong, only fact-a world of what is and what is not, rather than a world of what should be and what should not be. There is no justice until the sword creates it, establishes it, guarantees it, gives it substance and significance." He lifted the weapon, wielding the heavy metal blade as though it were a straw. "First the sword-" he said, "then government-then law-then justice."
---Tarnsman of Gor, p.156
The following laws, legal principles, rights and rites exist in various Gorean cities, some being quite common across Gor. But, this is by far not an exhaustive list but only a sampling of relevant ones listed in the books. Please remember that not all of these will be in force in every city. Cities will certainly have other laws that are not listed here. As ignorance of the law was often not considered a viable defense, it was imperative that Goreans be aware of the laws in each city they visited.
THE LAWS
1. "There is a saying on Gor that the laws of a city extend no further than its walls." (Outlaw of Gor, p.50) This is one of the most basic principles of Gorean law yet it is more a generality than an absolute. For the most part, once you step outside the walls of a city, their city laws will no longer apply and the city will not protect you. But, there are exceptions to this rule. First, many cities claim do sovereignty over the lands surrounding their city. They may try to enforce their will upon the surrounding terrain. Tarn, tharlarion or infantry patrols often monitor the tenuous borders of a city's claimed territory and either question, detain or kill non-citizens trying to enter their lands. That is only as effective as the strength of the city's military forces. Second, there are certain locations located outside a city over which a city exercises full legal control, such as a banner keep. A banner keep is a Merchant Keep owned by a specific city, and governed by that city's laws. Third, Merchant Law exists, that set of common laws that binds many of the cities of Gor. Merchant Law extends past city walls, protecting commerce.
2. To make a claim as to unowned land outside of a city, you must place a yellow stake of claimancy into the ground during the morning. You must then wait by that stake and protect that land until sunset. At that time then, the land becomes yours and you may lay your Home Stone there.
3. The theft of a Home Stone may be one of the most heinous crimes that exists on Gor. This should not be surprising considering the Gorean beliefs concerning the importance of the Home Stone. Theft of such is commonly punished by extreme torture followed by death in boiling oil. Despite this, the theft of a enemy's Home Stone is also considered the greatest of glories, showing that the thief is favored by the Priest-Kings.
4. A person might be slain for not standing when speaking of his own Home Stone. It is unknown whether this is by law, Caste Code or simply custom. There is no description of the circumstances when this may be applicable either.
5. Only members of the High Castes may be elected to the High Council of a city. Each of the five High Castes votes for their own representatives on the High Council.
6. Only members of the High Castes may vote to elect a city's Administrator or to appoint a Ubar. Low Castes do not possess any voting rights.
7. There is a question as to whether free women may be members of the High Council and whether free women of the High Castes are permitted to vote. This is likely an issue decided on a city by city basis. There is some confusion because of a statement that seems to imply women are not permitted to vote. "Whereas it is only the men of high caste who elect members to the Council of the City,?" (Assassin of Gor, p.16) It is unclear whether "men" in this context refers solely to the male gender or whether it is used in a more generic sense to indicate all within the High Castes. But, as women are permitted to occupy the highest political position in a city, that of ruler, then it makes little sense why they couldn't occupy a lesser political position, such as being on a High Council or why they could not vote.
8. It is illegal to take a map of a city out of that city. It is also illegal for a non-citizen to make their own map of a city. As many city streets do not possess set names, it can be difficult for visitors to find their way around in a city. This can be an added defense mechanism, preventing invading armies from easily moving through a city toward intended targets.
9. In the high cities of Gor, the length of each Ahn during a day are all of the same duration. In other cities, they divide a day into ten Ahn during the daytime and ten at nighttime. Thus, the length of each Ahn will vary by season though the day is the same length. Thus in summer, daytime Ahn are longer than nighttime Ahn.
10. Citizenship is a privilege, not a right, and thus you must actively apply for it as well as continue to earn it throughout your life. "Citizenship, or its retention, on other than a nominal basis, in some cities, is contingent on such things as attending public ceremonies, such as an official semi-annual taking of auspices, and participating in numerous public assemblies, some of which are called on short notice." (Dancer of Gor, p.302-303)
11. "Citizenship in most Gorean communities is not something accrued in virtue of the accident of birth but earned in virtue of intent and application." (Slave Girl of Gor, p.394) Upon reaching your intellectual majority, you must perform the citizenship ceremony. The specifics of the ceremony will vary from city to city. In some cities, there may be a requirement that other citizens, non-blood relations, must vouch for you. In other places, you might be questioned by a committee of citizens to determine your worthiness for citizenship. The oath of allegiance may involve the touching or kissing of the Home Stone, the swearing of oaths, and maybe even the sharing of bread, fire and salt. A laurel wreath and mantle of citizenship may then be conferred upon the new citizen.
12. The nonperformance of the citizenship ceremony, within one year of reaching your intellectual majority, is punishable by expulsion from the city. This applies only to those individuals born within the city or born to citizens of the city. "The rationale seems to be that the community has a right to expect allegiance from its members." (Vagabonds of Gor, p.303)
13. Though reference is made to the age of intellectual majority, no specific age is ever provided. From circumstantial evidence in the books, the highest probability seems to be that it is fifteen years old.
14. You can renounce your existing citizenship and acquire citizenship in another city. Obviously, you must be accepted by this other city as a citizen, meeting all prerequisites that are in place.
15. One of the benefits of citizenship is that it provides some protection against foreign creditors. It is unknown whether this area is covered by Merchant Law or not.
16. The oath of disownment is a part of the Warrior Caste Codes as well as the rites of a city. In this irreversible ceremony, a family member is disowned. That family member loses all connection to their family, as well as losing their Caste. It appears that this oath is taken according to the Warrior Caste Codes by swearing upon the hilt of your sword. It is unknown how it is done according to city rites. The Ubar of a city took the oath on the medallion of his city. A common citizen would obviously need to use something else for such an oath.
17. Every citizen must journey, at least once, to the Sardar Mountains before they are twenty-five years old. The Initiate Caste monitors who goes and who does not. The Initiates also teach that misfortunes will strike a city if their youth try to avoid this sacred obligation. Sometimes the Initiate Caste will ask a person to make the journey at a specific time. In some cities and islands, such as Teletus, your family will receive a gold tarn disk if you make the journey when the Initiates request it.
18. "A man who refused to practice his livelihood or strove to alter status without the consent of the Council of High Castes was, by definition, an outlaw and subject to impalement." (Tarnsman of Gor, p.46) Outlaws lose all connection to their Home Stone and Caste, a terrible fate for a Gorean. They must live in the wilderness, struggling to survive. Few Goreans envy the fate of an outlaw.
19. Each city determines which Castes and subcastes will be legally recognized. They will also determine which Caste will be recognized as High Castes. For example, there may be cities where the Merchants Caste, normally a Low Caste, is legally recognized as a High Caste.
20. There is a crime of "attempting to deceive with respect to caste." This encompasses such actions as engaging in business under false pretenses and claiming explicitly to be of a caste other than your own. Such deceptions most often occur when people pretend to be Physicians. This crime does not apply to all actions that are part of a Caste's primary focus. For example, anyone, and not just a member of the Slaver's Caste, can legally sell a slave. But, that same person cannot claim to be a member of the Slaver's Caste if he is not.
21. It is legally permissible to change one's Caste though most Goreans would not willingly change their Caste, being proud of their Caste no matter how low it might be. In a Free Companionship, the woman can take the Caste of the man though the man cannot do the same. Otherwise to change caste, the High Council of the city must approve the change, based on your qualifications for the new caste and the willingness of the new caste to accept you.
22. Women in the Physician's Caste cannot engage in the full practice of medicine until they have first bore two children. In many cities, at age fifteen, women of the Physician's Caste will place two bracelets on their left wrist. One is then removed for each child that she bears. When both bracelets are removed, she can then engage in the full practice of medicine.
23. It is a capital offense for a locksmith, usually a member of the Metal Workers, to make an unauthorized copy of a key.
24. A Free Companionship, the Gorean form of marriage, lasts for a single year. If it is not renewed by the twentieth Ahn of the anniversary date, it will automatically dissolve.
25. A Free Companionship will dissolve earlier than one year if one of the parties is either enslaved or dies. The books do not state if the contract can be legally dissolved prior to the year end if the parties so agree. It seems likely most Goreans would simply wait out the year.
26. A woman does not change her name in a Free Companionship.
27. The "gens" name is the clan name (derived from an ancient Roman term). The gens can only pass through the male line. Females can keep their gens in a Free Companionship, if it is part of their contract, but they can never pass on the gens.
28. A person may have only one Free Companion at a time. In the equatorial jungles, men may possess multiple companions. For example, Bila Huruma possessed over two hundred companions.
29. Port Kar does not recognize the institution of Free Companionship. Free women in that city are simply known as the women of their men.
30. Many cities have at least one Sun Gate, a primary gate that is only open from dawn to dusk. Once dusk arrives, the gate is closed and it is very unlikely that it will be opened during the night. Most cities will have a special night gate that allows citizens to enter and leave the city at night.
31. Anyone who enters a city without permission is punishable by impalement. "Pikes on the walls of Gorean cities are often surmounted with the remains of unwelcome guests." (Outlaw of Gor, p.49)
32. All outlaws are forbidden entrance into the city and subject to impalement. Panther girls and talunas are considered outlaws.
33. Assassins, when bearing the mark of the black dagger on their forehead, are permitted entrance into a city without interference.
34. Members of the Castes of Players, Poets, Musicians and Singers may freely enter any city.
35. Heralds, bearing a gold slash on the left temple of their helmet or headgear, are immune from interference by any within a city. This is a form of diplomatic immunity.
36. Ambassadors possess the same diplomatic immunity as heralds.
37. Patents, which cover inventions, and copyrights, which cover written materials, are available in a city but their power extends only as far as the city wall. Merchant Law has been unsuccessful in introducing such on a more global scale. Thus, many craftsmen and manufacturers keep their formulas and plans in cipher to protect them from theft and unauthorized copying.
38. Forgery of an official city seal on mercantile products is illegal. This is to help protect the integrity of official city products.
39. Each city commonly holds a Merchant's Foot and Stone and these are available for the city's Merchants to verify their own personal measuring devices. Any Merchant found to be using a deceptive Foot or Stone will be punished.
40. For legal and commercial purposes, certain letters have been standardized. These would include those representing weights and measures, as well as the "kef."
41. Instruments of debt can be transferred, usually for some discounted amount, and the transferee can then attempt to collect on the face value of the instruments. Bounty creditors often avail themselves of this opportunity.
42. Shaving, clipping, cutting or slicing off metal from any coin is considered to be theft and fraud. This debases the value of the coin.
43. Crests, signs and family emblems can be registered and their use will be legally restricted.
44. Robes of concealment and veils may or may not be required by law for free women. In some cities, such as Ar and Ar's Station, it is only custom while in others it is actual law. In some cities, an unveiled free woman is susceptible to being taken into custody by guardsmen, then to be veiled, by force if necessary. Repeated offenses can even lead to enslavement. Even where it is only custom, it is strongly recommended that all free women wear robes and veils in public.
45. In cities where robes and veils for free women are not legally mandatory, there are other pertinent laws restricting how much bare skin a free woman may show. If too much skin is shown, then the woman is subject to possible enslavement. "If you would be stripped as a slave, then be a slave, it is said." (Dancer of Gor, p.157)
46. Face stripping a free woman, forcefully removing her veils against her will, is a serious crime.
47. In some cities, it is a crime to bring pleasure silk in contact with the flesh of a free woman. It is considered to be too exciting and sensuous.
48. Free women are rarely, if ever, permitted to play Kaissa. It also does not appear that women may belong to the Caste of Players.
49. Weapons are not prohibited from being carried into an Initiate's temple.
50. Non-Initiates may not enter the sanctuary area of an Initiate's temple unless they have received the chrism of temporary permission. This is considered to be an inferior annointing and of temporary efficacy.
51. Insulae, tenements, may be constructed no higher in a city than a certain height. That height restriction will vary from city to city.
52. By law, the central waste vat in all insulae must remain covered at all times.
53. Any person apprehended wearing or possessing a tunic that is lined with a different color, which could be turned inside out to alter one's identity, is subject to possible impalement.
54. Dar-Kosis is a dreaded and highly contagious disease without a cure. Dar?kosis is considered to be a holy and it is considered heresy to shed their blood though they can be stoned. It is also considered heresy to try to seek a cure for this disease. It is unknown if this has been enacted as a law in any Gorean city.
55. "Those who contract the disease are regarded by law as dead." (Assassin of Gor, p.266) Thus, a person who contracts Dar-Kosis will lose all of their possessions, which shall then pass either by will or by the intestate laws.
56. Thievery is illegal and harshly punished. In most cities, a first offense is punished by an ear notching. Penalties for subsequent offenses will vary by city and gender. In most cities, a free women found guilty of a second offense is enslaved. If a free man is found guilty of a second offense, he often will lose one of his hands. For a third offense, a man might lose his other hand, or in some jurisdictions, his other hand and both feet.
57. There is a Caste of Thieves in Port Kar, the only one of its type on Gor. Thievery is still illegal in Port Kar, though the penalties are different. It is legal to slay a male thief, or enslave a female thief, if the thief is caught within one Ahn of the theft. Once an Ahn has passed though, then the thief must be handed over to the Arsenal police for a hearing or trial. If then found guilty, a male thief will be sentenced to hard labor in the Arsenal or on the wharves for a period ranging from one week to one year. A female thief would be sentenced to serve in a penal brothel for a period ranging from one week to one year.
58. There is a method of dispute resolution called the "rite of knives." Unfortunately, there is little information on its application. It is essentially a fight to the death and is used in place of a trial. The fight may be just with daggers. As it is called a rite, it may not have any true legal effect but may instead be an ancient custom. This might even be a part of the Warrior Code. We do know though that a freed Panther Girl asked to participate in this rite against another woman. Tarl Cabot granted her request. Thus, this rite apparently may include female participation.
59. Adoption is legally practiced on Gor.
60. Forest fires are considered to be terrible disasters and the penalty for anyone who starts such a fire is to be burnt alive.
61. It is illegal to smuggle the beans used to make black wine out of the territory of Thentis. These beans are only grown within the territory of Thentis.
62. It is the right of all people, free and slave, to receive the Stabilization Serums, the Gorean life extension treatment. This may be one of the only rights that a slave possesses. It is unknown whether a slave owner could deny the Serums to his own slave, though there would seem to be little reason for such a denial.
Slavery Issues
63. By law, the Slaver's Caste is a subcaste of the Merchant's Caste. The Slaver Caste though often prefers to consider themselves a separate Caste. It is unknown whether this determination is part of Merchant Law or not.
64. Any person, male or female, is subject to potential enslavement. Though women are more likely to be enslaved, men can still be enslaved through capture or legal process. Women are about ten times more likely to be enslaved than men.
65. There are two basic legal statuses on Gor: free and slave. Unless you are legally owned, then you are considered technically free, even if you are a prisoner, captive or outlaw. As a free person, you possess legal rights that slaves do not possess.
66. According to Merchant Law, a person is considered to be a prisoner and not a slave, as long as they have not been branded, collared or performed a gesture of submission.
67. Legally, slaves are considered property, on the same level as domestic animals. Their owner may do anything they wish to them without repercussion. An owner can even mutilate or kill his own slave with impunity. Their power over their own slave is absolute.
68. Slaves may not own anything. Even though they may use goods, they do not own them. Such items remain the property of the slave's owner. No matter what gifts a slave may receive, they cannot own such gifts. Those gifts too would belong to the slave's owner.
69. A slave does not even own their own name. Their owner can change their name at will, and as often as they desire. "Indeed, from the Gorean's point of view, one of the most fearful things about slavery is that one loses one's name. That name which he has had from birth, by which he has called himself and knows himself, that name which is so much a part of his own conception of himself, of his own true and most intimate identity, is suddenly gone." (Outlaw of Gor, p.197)
70. No Player, Musician, Poet or Singer Caste member may be enslaved within a city's limits. This does not mean they are immune from prosecution from violating city law. They can still be arrested, imprisoned, tortured and executed. They are simply immune from enslavement. "There is a saying to the effect that he who makes music must, like the tarn and the Vosk gull, be free." (Kajira of Gor, p.298)
71. The institution of the capture of women is honored by most cities, provided the women captured belong to an enemy. The subject of "capture rights" pertains to all forms of property, including slaves. Active possession is regarded as crucial by the law. Thus, theft and capture will confer certain rights over the property.
72. A slave must fully serve anyone who possesses her, even a thief or captor. If the slave attempts to run away from her thief or captor, she will be deemed to be a runaway. Free women are permitted to escape from a captor as long as they have not yet been enslaved. The point of this law is to maintain slaves in a state of bondage while also encouraging men to be bold. "The average man of this world would no more think of stealing a slave within his own city, or a host city, one which has extended the courtesy of its walls, than he would of any other act of illicit and dishonorable brigandage." (Witness of Gor, p.497)
73. If a lost, stolen or runaway slave is taken by another person, the original owner has only one week to regain his property before legal title passes to the new owner. The slave remains the property of the original owner only for that one week if he does not regain possession. This likely refers to a Gorean week, which is only five days long.
74. A person who is found to possess a stolen slave might not be convicted or any crime if they are truly ignorant of fact that the slave was stolen.
75. If a captured free woman submits to her captor, she will become his slave. "It had been within the context of his capture rights that she had, as a free woman, of her own free will, pronounced upon herself a formula of enslavement. Automatically then, in virtue of the context, she became his. The law is clear on this. The matter is more subtle when the woman is not within a context of capture rights." (Players of Gor, p.21)
76. A free woman who submits to a particular man, when there is no capture involved, may or may not become a slave. This will be dependent upon city law. "The matter is more subtle when the woman is not within a context of capture rights. Here the matter differs from city to city. In some cities, a woman may not, with legal recognition, submit herself to a specific man as a slave, for in those cities that is interpreted as placing at least a temporary qualification on the condition of slavery which condition, once entered into, all cities agree, is absolute. In such cities, then, the woman makes herself a slave, unconditionally. It is then up to the man in question whether or not he will accept her as his slave. In this matter he will do as he pleases. In any event, she is by then a slave, and only that." (Players of Gor, p.21)
77. "In other cities, and in most cities, on the other hand, a free woman, may, with legal tolerance, submit herself as a slave to a specific man. If he refuses her, she is then still free. If he accepts her, she is then, categorically, a slave, and he may do with her as he pleases, even selling her or giving her away, or slaying her, if he wishes." (Players of Gor, p.21)
78. In some cities, a free woman who kneels before a man or addresses him as Master effects legal imbondment on herself. Such actions are considered to be gestures of submission.
79. A free woman can sell herself into slavery. But, once the sale is complete, the woman cannot then revoke it.
80. "Any free woman who couches with another's slave, or readies herself to couch with another's slave, becomes herself a slave, and the slave of the slave's master." (Magicians of Gor, p.7) This is known as the "couching law" and exists in Ar, though it may have been adopted by other cities as well. There are clearly though some cities, like Vonda, that do not have such a law because reference is made to free women freely lending their male slaves to a female guest. The couching law does not prevent a woman from having sex with a slave she owns. It is important to note that a violation can occur even though actual sex never occurs. Simply preparing to have sex is sufficient. "By such an act, the couching with, or readying herself to couch with, a slave, as though she might be a girl of the slave's master, thrown to the slave, she shows herself as no more than a slave, and in this act, in law, becomes a slave." (Magicians of Gor, p.303); . Special seduction slaves are used by some slave owners to trap free women. Milo, from Magicians of Gor, is a prime example of a seduction slave. His owner, Appanius, used Milo to entrap numerous free women. Tarl Cabot would also use Milo to entrap Talena and enslave her.
81. If a father cannot pay his debts, his daughter will become a slave of the state. She will then be put up for sale at a public auction. The proceeds of her sale will be used to equitably satisfy her father's creditors.
82. A free woman who cannot pay her own debts will be enslaved. Under the redemption laws, a person can pay the woman's debts and thus claim ownership of her. That owner could free the woman if he so desired, or keep her as a slave. If no one redeems a female debtor within a certain time period, not specified in the books, she will then be sold to Slavers.
83. There is no law that states a man may enslave a free woman of his Home Stone because she has insulted or disrespected him.
84. Free women may be legally enslaved if they engage in "conduct indicating suitability for the collar." "The principle he had alluded to pertains to conduct in a free woman which is taken as sufficient to warrant her reduction to slavery. The most common application of this principle occurs in areas such as fraud and theft. Other applications may occur, for example, in cases of indigency and vagrancy. Prostitution, rare on Gor because of female slaves, is another case. The women are taken, enslaved, cleaned up and controlled. Indulgence in sensuous dance is another case. Sensuous dance is almost always performed by slaves on Gor. A free woman who performs such dancing publicly is almost begging for the collar. In some cities the sentence of bondage is mandatory for such a woman." (Renegades of Gor, p.372). Other actions can qualify as well. "In many cities, such actions, attempting to spy on masters and slaves, disguising oneself as a slave, garbing oneself as a slave, even in the supposed secrey of one's own compartments, lingering about slave shelves and markets, even exhibiting an interest in, or fascination with, bondage, can result in a reduction to bondage. The theory is apparently that such actions and interests are those of a slave, and that the female who exhibits them should, accordingly, be imbonded." (Magicians of Gor, p.50) Even wearing slave beads could be a reason for enslavement. This principle only deals with actions and not thoughts. "Conduct indicating suitability for the collar, of course, can be interpreted in various ways, and more broadly and narrowly. It is almost always understood, of course, fortunately for women, and as I suppose the phrase itself makes clear, in the special legal sense of the phrase, as having to do with overt behavior rather than psychological predispositions and such." (Renegades of Gor, p.372)
85. It is illegal for a person on their own to collar a free woman for "conduct indicating suitability for the collar." Free women who may have violated this legal principle must be brought before a magistrate or judge for a legal determination as to whether there has been a violation sufficient to warrant a reduction to slavery.
86. Earth girls do not have a Home Stone so there are no legalities that prevent their capture and enslavement.
87. A free woman may do a form of limited self-contracting where she legally becomes a slave for a specific time period, commonly ranging from one night to one year. She cannot end this contract earlier than the specified time period. Once the contract takes effect, she becomes a slave with no legal powers at all. This curious contractual arrangement is not described in great detail. It raises numerous legal dilemmas that can only be speculated about. The books do not state that the contract covers any contigencies or limits the slavery in any way. The woman becomes an actual slave. That would seem to mean she could be freely killed. What would happen is she was sold? Does the contract prevent that? Would the time period still apply if she was sold? What would happen if she was stolen? This passage seems to raise far more questions than it answers.
88. "And yet it was not a strange thing, particularly not on Gor, where bravery is highly esteemed and to save a female's life is in effect to win title to it, for it is the option of a Gorean male to enslave any woman whose life he has saved, a right which is seldom denied even by the citizens of the girl's city or her family. Indeed, there have been cases in which a girl's brothers have had her clad as a slave, bound in slave bracelets, and handed over to her rescuer, in order that the honor of the family and her city not be besmirched." (Priest-Kings of Gor, p.161) It is unknown whether this is codified in city law or whether it simply exists as custom.
89. "The collar, by Gorean law, cancelled the past." When a person is enslaved, they begin a new life as a slave and may not be held accountable for any crimes that occurred while they were free.
90. The property of a person who is enslaved will be transferred to the nearest male relative or the nearest relative if no male exists, or to the city, or a guardian. Even if the slave is later freed, their property cannot ever be recovered.
91. A child, born of a slave, becomes a slave and belongs to the mother's owner. The key to this law is the status of the mother at the time of birth, not conception.
92. By the law of Tharna, a person conceived by a free person on another free person is a free person, even if later carried and borne by a slave. Thus, slaves would often be temporarily freed for the purpose of conception and then reenslaved afterwards.
93. By recommendation of Merchant Law, there are three standard marking places for brands, on the left thigh, right thigh, and lower left abdomen. Slaves though may be branded on any part of their body.
94. It is illegal to sell a slave, without the owner's permission, that is not your own. The penalty varies according to the gender of the seller. If the seller is a man, the penalty is exile, and if the seller is a woman, the penalty is enslavement.
95. It is illegal to offer an unbranded slave in a public sale.
96. It is illegal to sell a slave as auburn haired if she is truly not so.
97. It is a felony to forge or falsify pedigree papers on any slave. Such papers might include information on brand type, a number of different measurements, types of training received; a place for sales endorsements for when a girl changes hands and a remark section for miscellaneous information.
98. A certification of a slave girl's heat may be given in certain cities. Her degree of heat will be listed on the sale documents. It is done in few cities though because of the potential for fraud on the part of the buyer. A buyer might use a girl for a month and then seek a refund based on the guarantee of her level of heat.
99. A slave, on threat of torture and impalement, must endure whatever abuse a free person cares to inflict on her. This is stated to apply within Ar and on Gor in general.
100. Any free person may discipline an insolent or errant slave, even one who is in the least bit displeasing. If the slave is killed or injured, the free person need only pay compensation to the master and only if the master requests such compensation. This does not give you the right to injure or kill someone else's slave. It simply states the penalty for such a violation. "One did not have the right, for example, to kill or maim the slave of another, any more than any other domestic animal which might belong to someone else. In this sense the slave is accorded some protection from free persons who do not own her in virtue of certain general considerations of property law." (Magicians of Gor, p.330)
101. If a slave strikes a free person, the penalty is commonly death by impalement, preceded by lengthy torture.
102. It is a capital offense for a slave to wield any weapon. The definition of what constitutes a weapon is unclear. It does appear that slaves may use razors and knifes for certain domestic duties. Though that may be permissible, if the slave attempted to use those items as weapons, then they would be guilty of this offense.
103. It is a capital offense for a slave to claim caste.
104. It is a capital offense for a female slave to wear the garment of a free woman.
105. It is illegal for a slave to wear veils.
106. A male slave may be slain for touching either a free woman or a female slave without permission.
107. If a slave fails to kneel in the presence of a free person, it can be a capital offense, especially if the slave intentionally fails to do so. In that case, the slave may be tortured to death.
108. Slaves may not touch or handle money. This is not applicable in all cities. For example, in Ar, at least one prominent slave, Milo, was given spending money.
109. In any legal proceedings, the testimony of slaves may be taken by torture. This is solely in the discretion of the courts.
110. For a slave to runaway from her owner is a serious offense. For the first offense, the penalty is commonly a severe beating. But she is only allowed that single mistake. The penalty for a second offense is usually hamstringing. That will makes her useless, but it is considered a good object lesson for other slaves.
111. Slaves are not permitted outside a city's gates unless accompanied by a free person.
112. Slaves are not permitted on the city streets after nightfall.
113. Slaves are not allowed in temples. It is felt that they would defile it.
114. It is illegal for slaves to play Kaissa. It is considered an insult to free men, not only for a slave to play but even to touch the pieces. A slave might have their hands cut off or be killed for touching Kaissa pieces without permission.
115. The crime of false yielding is a capital offense. It is considered to be easy to detect, through infallible physiological signs.
116. Female slaves must wear a visible token of their slavery within the city limits. Male slaves are usually exempt from this law because it is thought that it would not be beneficial for male slaves to understand their true numbers. There are worries of slave revolt.
117. Slaves are not allowed to build anything. That right is reserved for free people only. Port Kar though is an exception as it was the only city built by slaves.
118. It is illegal for slaves to touch or handle legal documents.
119. Slaves may not teach free people. By teaching someone, they are placed in your debt and nothing can be owed to a slave.
120. A slave may not laugh at a free woman and may be whipped for such an action.
121. The unauthorized rape of slave girls, without the permission of her master, is officially frowned on, and even illegal in some cities, but it is often ignored. Such actions are not uncommon in peasant villages. Sometimes such actions are even encouraged. Such encouragement may be done to pacify the natural aggressions of male youths, aggressions that might otherwise result in destructive behavior. It may also be a means to encourage manhood as well as to protect free women from their attentions. Slave owners who are truly worried about such unauthorized slave rape should keep their slaves inside or put them in iron belts.
122. Slaves are not permitted to sit in chairs and might be whipped or slain for doing so.
123. Freed slaves require explicit papers of manumission or they may be enslaved again without repercussion. Slaves who have been branded or had theirs ears pierced and later freed should definitely keep their papers handy at all times.
Miscellaneous Items
124. In Tharna, prior to its revolution, any non-citizen who remained in the city for more than ten Ahn would be enslaved. No warning of this law was given to those who entered the city and ignorance of the law was not a defense.
125. In Tharna, after its revolution, any free women entering the city, who are non-citizens, must temporarily don slave collars, slave tunics and leashes while she remains within the city.
126. In the city of Port Kar, if you defeat a man in fair combat, and then permit him the death of blood and the sea, then all of his properties became yours. Essentially, you permit the victim to see Thassa before he dies. This is how Tarl acquired his initial fortune when he arrived in Port Kar.
127. Port Kar owns several preserves in the northern forests so that they can claim its timber. They punish anyone who engages in illegal cutting or pasturage.
128. In the port city of Schendi, they sometimes use a "scimitar of discipline" to sever a slave's feet that have been locked in an ankle rack. It is unknown whether the scimitar is used only on slaves or not.
129. Within the city of Tor, they are very strict against thievery. For a first offense, a male thief will have his right hand severed while a female thief will be enslaved.
130. In the Tahari region, the destruction of a water source is a terrible offense, probably the most heinous crime in that area.
131. In Torvaldsland, if you kill someone, you may be assessed a wergild, a price that must be paid in compensation for the death. The amount of a wergild is generally set by the victim's family.
132. In Torvaldsland, there is an ordeal to determine whether someone is telling the truth. A man must hold two red hot, metal bars and carry them a distance of twenty feet. The book does not explain though what will determine whether he is honest or not. Is it merely being able to accomplish this task? Or are the hands examined to see if the person is burnt or not, with a burn indicating dishonesty? That was how honesty was determined in some places in the Earth's history.
133. In the equatorial regions, under the hegemony of Bila Huruma, areas of Lake Ushindi are used for punishing some criminals. In those areas where many tharlarion are known to exist, there have been placed high poles in the water. These poles do not have any platforms. Criminals are placed on these poles, to cling to them for a period of time. Obviously, if they cannot hold on, they will fall to the tharlarion.
Magistrates class 7...oct 18th
2010-10-18 22:22:11 note card
[13:03] janette Inglewood: tal and welcome to week 7 of the Mag course
[13:05] janette Inglewood: one class after this
[13:05] Nitya Burckhardt cheers quietly
[13:05] janette Inglewood: which is quiz time
[13:05] Quiet Clarity: Aww shucks and hooray for a quiz!
[13:06] janette Inglewood: so today... a summary and a look at a case
[13:07] janette Inglewood: the main topics....jurisdiction
[13:07] janette Inglewood: sentencing.....ooc/ic
[13:07] janette Inglewood: investigating.......trials...and the laws
[13:08] janette Inglewood: we have looked at each of these areas
[13:08] janette Inglewood: in as much detail as we can
[13:09] janette Inglewood: in our allowed time
[13:09] janette Inglewood: i hope the picture has become clearer for You over the weeks
[13:10] janette Inglewood: jurisdiction is really the main one
[13:10] janette Inglewood: remember.....Initiates.......City.......merchant .....Caste
[13:11] VolmarrGoth Vollmar pushes flower to the side so she is not sitting on top of him
[13:11] janette Inglewood: so......of those 4..........
[13:11] janette Inglewood: somebody denies existence of PK's...which laws?
[13:12] VolmarrGoth Vollmar: Initiate law
[13:12] janette Inglewood: yes
[13:12] janette Inglewood: somebody facestrips a FW in Her City?
[13:13] Poindexter Hamelin: civil
[13:13] VolmarrGoth Vollmar: city
[13:13] janette Inglewood: yes
[13:14] janette Inglewood: a Warrior kicks a Scribe up the behind for being in the way?
[13:15] VolmarrGoth Vollmar: city and caste
[13:15] janette Inglewood laughs.......weak example.......yes
[13:15] Gilbert Froobert: buy the warrior a horn of mead
[13:15] janette Inglewood: somebody steals from a wagon on the highway?
[13:15] VolmarrGoth Vollmar: merchant
[13:15] Poindexter Hamelin: merchant
[13:16] janette Inglewood: correct
[13:16] janette Inglewood: everyone clear?
[13:16] Nitya Burckhardt nods
[13:16] janette Inglewood: do not rule when it is not Your jurisdiction
[13:18] janette Inglewood: now then please help pass these around
[13:20] VolmarrGoth Vollmar: "this is from the other class"
[13:20] janette Inglewood: yes
[13:20] janette Inglewood: Advocates have seen it
[13:21] janette Inglewood: all have case study 3?
[13:21] Poindexter Hamelin doesn't.
[13:22] Nitya Burckhardt: I do not believe I do either
[13:22] janette Inglewood: please pass them
[13:23] janette Inglewood: lag is killing
[13:23] janette Inglewood: i removed my meter
[13:23] janette Inglewood: helps a bit
[13:23] janette Inglewood: ok all got them?
[13:23] Poindexter Hamelin still doesn't.
[13:24] Bernhard Madsen nods
[13:25] Poindexter Hamelin: Now I have three copies. Thank you
[13:25] janette Inglewood: now then
[13:25] janette Inglewood: have a read......and consider the main issues
[13:26] janette Inglewood: firstly.......it is in a banner keep
[13:26] janette Inglewood: so...what law will apply?
[13:27] VolmarrGoth Vollmar: merchant amd that of it's home city
[13:27] janette Inglewood: yes
[13:28] janette Inglewood: the banner keep is in effect, part of the City
[13:28] janette Inglewood: merchant law would apply to coins......sales......and so on
[13:29] janette Inglewood: and city law to this example
[13:29] janette Inglewood: so...when we say a City's laws end at its walls........
[13:30] Poindexter Hamelin: A banner keep is considered within the walls.
[13:30] janette Inglewood: here is an example when it goes beyond them
[13:30] janette Inglewood: yes exactly
[13:31] janette Inglewood: now Volmarr was mag for his in the advocates class
[13:31] janette Inglewood: *this
[13:32] janette Inglewood: what witnesses might be called?
[13:32] Gilbert Froobert: city guards
[13:32] janette Inglewood: yes
[13:32] VolmarrGoth Vollmar: Builders, City Inspectors..
[13:32] janette Inglewood: yes
[13:33] janette Inglewood: who else?
[13:33] Poindexter Hamelin: Would you wish to call on scribes to speak of Northern customs?
[13:33] VolmarrGoth Vollmar: Her Escorts if she had any
[13:33] janette Inglewood: well.....unlikely but i see Your point
[13:34] janette Inglewood: yes Her escort
[13:34] Poindexter Hamelin: For example, a trained scribe should be able to identify regional accent and help ascertain if she was truly from the North
[13:34] Gilbert Froobert: her jarl
[13:34] janette Inglewood: and of course Her
[13:35] janette Inglewood: and the FS
[13:36] janette Inglewood: this case can vary greatly depending on testimony
[13:36] janette Inglewood: what evidence might we look for?
[13:37] Poindexter Hamelin: Check the entrance of the tunnels for evidence of an accidental fall rather than purposeful entry
[13:37] VolmarrGoth Vollmar: if there are structural weaknesses in the shafts
[13:37] janette Inglewood: yes...good
[13:37] Bernhard Madsen: check if arsenal and treasury has been moved
[13:37] Loki Greymoon: if the woman did fall she would more then like;ly be injured
[13:37] Bernhard Madsen: part of it I mean
[13:37] janette Inglewood: what crime might She be committing?
[13:38] Gilbert Froobert: Check the opening for dirt to help explain where her robes were so dirty
[13:38] Poindexter Hamelin: Check her robes for tears also.
[13:38] Loki Greymoon: could be a spy
[13:38] VolmarrGoth Vollmar: "spying, trying to steal"
[13:38] Bernhard Madsen: assessing the supply of arms of the city
[13:38] janette Inglewood: if She was a spy...what evidence might one find?
[13:39] Gilbert Froobert: maps
[13:39] Gilbert Froobert: inventory list
[13:39] Jakis Babcock: City maps
[13:39] janette Inglewood: yes!!
[13:39] Gilbert Froobert: tally of money found
[13:39] Loki Greymoon: list of enrty points
[13:39] janette Inglewood: my first feeling is...map making
[13:39] Poindexter Hamelin: notes on guard strength
[13:39] VolmarrGoth Vollmar: "is there is evidence also she was trying to take maps outside the city, impailment just for that"
[13:39] janette Inglewood: what is the sentence for map making?
[13:40] janette Inglewood: yes........death
[13:40] VolmarrGoth Vollmar: "if bringing maps outside the city of the city, impailment "
[13:40] janette Inglewood: excellent
[13:40] janette Inglewood: so...She may be on trial for Her life
[13:40] VolmarrGoth Vollmar: "indeed"
[13:40] Loki Greymoon: chop off her head
[13:41] janette Inglewood: now....if any were found.......things would be simple
[13:42] Loki Greymoon: Lady Jan
[13:42] janette Inglewood: so ......She needs to be searched...as does the area
[13:42] janette Inglewood: yes Loki?
[13:43] Loki Greymoon: smiles i was going to say if i was the FS i would have the entier area as well as her and her room where ever she is staying search
[13:43] janette Inglewood: yes....everywhere
[13:43] janette Inglewood: including her body
[13:44] Loki Greymoon: and if necessary anyone she may have contacted
[13:44] janette Inglewood: so....lets say nothing is found
[13:44] janette Inglewood: She is bruised....there is a hole in the tunnel
[13:45] janette Inglewood: what next?
[13:45] Gilbert Froobert: Look at the hole
[13:45] janette Inglewood: yes!
[13:45] Gilbert Froobert: see if it was broken into
[13:46] Gilbert Froobert: or deliberate
[13:46] janette Inglewood: as we did in the trial...get a builder's report on the hole
[13:46] Loki Greymoon: in the search you should have looked for tools
[13:46] janette Inglewood: yes Loki
[13:46] Gilbert Froobert: they found nothing on her
[13:47] Poindexter Hamelin: Is anything found in her room?
[13:47] janette Inglewood: is the tunnel weak.....maybe others made the hole for Her
[13:47] janette Inglewood: no we have found nothing
[13:48] janette Inglewood: now as Magistrate..You will be relying on these Caste professionals to have done this
[13:48] Loki Greymoon: see if you can find out who sghe has been talking to they may know something
[13:49] janette Inglewood: also a Green maybe to check her injuries
[13:49] Gilbert Froobert: Look at the opening of the hole
[13:49] Gilbert Froobert: could this have caused the bruise
[13:49] Gilbert Froobert: or was it from something else
[13:50] janette Inglewood: but in reality You need to ensure the investigation is thorough
[13:51] Poindexter Hamelin: How feasible would it be to have multiple caste experts look at the evidence?
[13:51] janette Inglewood: so...in the trial....You are relying on these reports
[13:51] janette Inglewood: well...here in Olni i am lucky
[13:52] janette Inglewood: in a recent case i had help from the Physician and a Warrior
[13:52] Jakis Babcock shifts
[13:52] Loki Greymoon: wonders which case
[13:52] janette Inglewood: and normally i am well supported here
[13:53] janette Inglewood: but yes...sometimes i have to piece it together myself
[13:53] janette Inglewood: hence my stressing of investigating, before calling a trial
[13:54] janette Inglewood: it says in this case...a hearing
[13:55] janette Inglewood: when it gets to court....we hope as Magistrates.......
[13:56] janette Inglewood: to have advocates actually present the case
[13:56] janette Inglewood: again not always possible
[13:57] janette Inglewood: whether You do or not......You can ask any questions at any time
[13:57] janette Inglewood: it is Your court
[13:58] janette Inglewood: You control it
[13:59] janette Inglewood: so...if an advocate is being slow....dull pointless....tell them
[13:59] janette Inglewood: i did a case in Tharnock this week
[13:59] janette Inglewood: one of the crowd was annoying me
[14:00] janette Inglewood: so...i told His Ubar.....control that Man of Yours
[14:00] janette Inglewood: which was done
[14:00] janette Inglewood: no need for more
[14:01] janette Inglewood: be firm...but calm
[14:01] janette Inglewood: do not get caught up in debating the Law
[14:02] janette Inglewood: You are the expert...not them
[14:03] janette Inglewood: same as if they make emoted comment
[14:03] janette Inglewood: i said.....i treat emotes as spoken
[14:03] janette Inglewood: o fcourse...being female i have to be careful
[14:04] janette Inglewood: but all of us should remain respectful in court
[14:04] janette Inglewood: and expect respect in return
[14:05] janette Inglewood: now then......finally......we found the Lady not guilty last week
[14:06] janette Inglewood: since we found none of the things we just discussed
[14:07] janette Inglewood: however....we may have......so proving..You just do not know until You hear the evidence
[14:07] janette Inglewood: remember the Blue Caste core codes.......
[14:08] janette Inglewood: objectivity....integrity...and duty
[14:08] janette Inglewood: any questions?
[14:09] janette Inglewood: right...
[14:09] janette Inglewood: well ill send this out in group
[14:10] janette Inglewood: thank You for listening and contributing
Magistrate class 8...1pm...Jan 31st
2011-01-31 22:45:26 note card
Meeting Summary: Magistrates Course - Week 8 Quiz (Final Class)
Instructor: Janette Inglewood
Participants:
Jessie Sinister (Team A Captain)
Konner Aura (Team A)
Hazzard Ruby (Team A)
Sonja Zuta (Team A; became temporary Captain when Jessie was AFK)
Syd Cicerone (Team B Captain)
Claudette Debruyere (Team B)
Carin McBride (Team B)
Kandyl Ghoststar (Team B)
Lacey Arentire (Team B)
Stefania Wildrose (Joined late, Team A)
Jethro Button (Joined late, Team B)
Meeting Summary:
The final session of the Magistrates course was a quiz day, dividing the participants into two teams (Team A and Team B) to test their knowledge of Gorean law. Janette Inglewood presided over the quiz, encouraging discussion within teams before the designated spokesperson provided the official answer.
Quiz Highlights:
The quiz covered various aspects of Gorean law, including:
Penalties for slaves: The class confirmed the penalty for a slave claiming caste is death, and for a slave striking a free person is torture followed by impalement.
Most heinous crime: The most heinous crime on Gor was identified as theft of a Homestone.
Types of law: Participants correctly identified Initiate, Merchant, and City (or Civil/Caste) laws.
Free entry into cities: Individuals who may enter any city freely include Ambassadors, Heralds, Players, Poets, Musicians, Singers, and Assassins.
Punishments for specific crimes: Starting a forest fire results in being burned alive.
Legal terminology: "Non compos mentis" means not of sound mind.
Court roles: The plaintiff is the accuser or the one bringing the complaint to court.
Pre-trial reports: These are conducted to gather facts and determine if there is a case to answer.
Law vs. rules: The distinction between Civil Laws (IC) and Sim Rules (OOC) was clarified.
Temple offenses: A slave entering a temple is a crime, defiling the sacred space (weapons are permissible).
Inadmissible OOC information: Profiles, tags, IMs, and anything off-Gor are not admissible in a Gorean court.
Male slave tokens: Male slaves are often exempted from visible tokens of slavery to prevent them from knowing their true numbers and potentially rising up.
Earth girls and enslavement: Earth girls are subject to enslavement because they are considered barbarians and lack a Homestone.
Tunic lining: A tunic with a different colored lining could lead to impalement due to the implication of impersonating a caste to which the wearer does not belong.
Priest Kings denial: Denial of the existence of Priest Kings in central cities is handled under Initiate Law.
Outcome:
Team A ultimately won the quiz with a score of 8-7. However, Janette Inglewood declared that everyone in the room passed the course, commending their effort over the two months. She encouraged them to apply fairness, justice, and good roleplay in their future endeavors, noting that while they had passed the course, their appointment as Magistrates would be up to their respective Homestones. Certificates were promised in a few weeks.
- Summary: Kati Evans
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[13:01] janette Inglewood: Tal everyone and welcome to week 8 of the Magistrate course
[13:01] janette Inglewood: it feels very laggy today...please ditch Your meters
[13:02] janette Inglewood: now then today is quiz day
[13:02] Hazzard Ruby: My Larl ate mine
[13:02] lacey Arentire: umm, lady jan, my fingers are broken *shrugs*, i can't type today,
[13:02] Jessie Sinister senses a system crash
[13:03] Hazzard Ruby: OOOps wrong excuse
[13:03] Kandyl Ghoststar hides behind widow
[13:03] Claudette Debruyere: laughs
[13:03] Sonja Zuta laughs
[13:03] janette Inglewood: hmm the Men are all on that side
[13:03] Claudette Debruyere: I took notes teacher!
[13:03] Claudette Debruyere brown noses
[13:03] Sonja Zuta: haaaaa
[13:03] Jessie Sinister: don't blame me, I got here first
[13:03] Kandyl Ghoststar tries to see widow's notes
[13:03] Jessie Sinister: Hazz was late from feeding his larl
[13:03] Carin McBride: My companion wouldent alowe me to fake sickness today *grumbles*
[13:03] Claudette Debruyere: holds me hands out for lunch munny
[13:04] janette Inglewood: so....team A will be Konner, Hazzard, Jessie and Sonja
[13:04] Sonja Zuta: ell lacey you havee an excuse
[13:04] janette Inglewood: team spokesman will be Jessie
[13:04] lacey Arentire head turns completly around a nd back to the front, "besides i keep doing that... it just not a good day for a quiz
[13:04] Sonja Zuta: you have a baby braiin
[13:04] Claudette Debruyere: laughs
[13:05] Hazzard Ruby: Go Jessie....Yayyyyy
[13:05] Carin McBride: dont he speak enough
[13:05] lacey Arentire: oh teams?
[13:05] Sonja Zuta: jessie tell me the answers
[13:05] Jessie Sinister: o.O...what did I do?
[13:05] janette Inglewood: Team B.....Widow, Carin, Kandyl, Syd and Lacey
[13:05] lacey Arentire: i think i can do teams
[13:05] Claudette Debruyere: Yay!
[13:05] janette Inglewood: team spokesman Syd
[13:05] Syd Cicerone blinks
[13:05] Jessie Sinister: I see Lady Jan likes verbosness
[13:05] Carin McBride: you had notes right Widow
[13:06] Syd Cicerone: eh...you and me both Jessie...who'll get a word in
[13:06] Claudette Debruyere: Yes, I really did, Let me upload it
[13:06] janette Inglewood: You can discuss your answers as a team...then when i call time...the spokesman will give the answer
[13:06] lacey Arentire: does that mean i automatically make a b?, i'm not nervous... really
[13:06] Carin McBride whispers "you have the answers too?"
[13:06] Hazzard Ruby: I had a note to be sick but my larl ate it.:((
[13:06] Syd Cicerone: should we get in group IM
[13:06] Sonja Zuta: lol
[13:06] Syd Cicerone: or just outloud
[13:06] janette Inglewood: do you understand the rules?
[13:06] Sonja Zuta: you men
[13:06] Sonja Zuta: do you really have a larl
[13:07] janette Inglewood: no out loud please
[13:07] Syd Cicerone: k
[13:07] lacey Arentire: yes, discuss then spokesperson answers
[13:07] janette Inglewood: i want to hear your discussions
[13:07] Jessie Sinister: hmmm...anyone know how to set up a conference chat on my team?
[13:07] janette Inglewood: everything clear?
[13:07] Sonja Zuta: then the other side will know
[13:07] janette Inglewood: that wont matter
[13:08] Jessie Sinister: noted
[13:08] Sonja Zuta: .me sticks her finge rin her mouth
[13:08] lacey Arentire: everyy thing in locale and spokesperson answers,
[13:08] Sonja Zuta: Lacey ....you eed to help me remember
[13:08] lacey Arentire: i got two answers righ so far
[13:08] lacey Arentire: /melistensand gets serious
[13:09] janette Inglewood: any late comer will join Jessie's team A
[13:09] Jessie Sinister: The A-Team!
[13:09] Carin McBride: B as bigger and Best!
[13:09] Syd Cicerone facepalms
[13:09] Konner Aura: im the crazy one
[13:10] Sonja Zuta: i know
[13:10] Sonja Zuta: lol
[13:10] Jessie Sinister: B-Team - Tuesday afternoon line up at a strip club
[13:10] janette Inglewood: right then...lets see who has been listening these past 2 months
[13:10] Claudette Debruyere: What?
[13:10] Jessie Sinister sits quietly now
[13:10] Carin McBride: I object
[13:10] janette Inglewood: Team A
[13:11] janette Inglewood: What is the penalty for a slave claiming caste?
[13:11] Sonja Zuta: hahahaha
[13:11] Sonja Zuta: death is it
[13:11] Claudette Debruyere: Impalement
[13:11] Sonja Zuta: could be
[13:12] Carin McBride pokes Widow
[13:12] Kandyl Ghoststar: Impalement
[13:12] Sonja Zuta: death ssounds better
[13:12] janette Inglewood: Widow...are you team A?
[13:12] Carin McBride: we are B ladies
[13:12] Claudette Debruyere: Oh, sorry
[13:12] Claudette Debruyere: Shit
[13:12] Jessie Sinister: death, as slaves are not allowed to own anything, and by claiming Caste, therefore claims ownership and rights
[13:12] Kandyl Ghoststar: oopsy
[13:12] Sonja Zuta: merde
[13:12] Stefania Wildrose: tal everybody
[13:12] Sonja Zuta: yes way to go Jessie
[13:12] janette Inglewood: Steph join Jessie's team please
[13:12] Konner Aura: is a quick jump off a cliff onto a waiting spike
[13:12] Syd Cicerone: Tal Stefania
[13:13] Sonja Zuta slaps him on the back
[13:13] Sonja Zuta: Tal Stefania
[13:13] Jessie Sinister: Everyone agree?
[13:13] Konner Aura: yes
[13:13] Sonja Zuta: yes
[13:13] Sonja Zuta: i do
[13:13] Jessie Sinister: We choose, "Death", Lady
[13:13] janette Inglewood: Jethro join Syd's team
[13:13] Jethro Button: My apologies
[13:13] Syd Cicerone pats a spot beside her
[13:14] janette Inglewood: correct Team A
[13:14] Hazzard Ruby: ((TY everyone))
[13:14] Sonja Zuta gets excited in her seat
[13:14] janette Inglewood: meters off please
[13:14] Sonja Zuta: hahaahhaha
[13:14] Sonja Zuta: nice knee was it
[13:15] Sonja Zuta: lol
[13:15] janette Inglewood: Syd's team B
[13:15] Jessie Sinister loves his lucky knee
[13:15] janette Inglewood: What is the most heinous crime on Gor?
[13:15] Sonja Zuta kills herself laughing
[13:15] Stefania Wildrose: treason
[13:15] Hazzard Ruby starts rubbing my knee hoping I get lucky too.
[13:15] Sonja Zuta: what is heinouus
[13:15] Carin McBride: treason*
[13:16] Carin McBride: I think if I understand the word right
[13:16] Kandyl Ghoststar: Treason to your homestone
[13:16] Syd Cicerone: hmmm...I would say to betray your homestone
[13:16] Sonja Zuta: yes i think so
[13:16] Sonja Zuta: yes betray a homestone
[13:16] Claudette Debruyere: making a map of the Homestone
[13:16] Sonja Zuta: i think
[13:16] Sonja Zuta: hmmmm
[13:16] Carin McBride looks around at the B team
[13:17] Syd Cicerone: Jethro....you agree?
[13:17] Carin McBride: a map widow?
[13:17] Syd Cicerone: Lacey?
[13:17] Sonja Zuta: oooo
[13:17] Sonja Zuta: yes
[13:17] janette Inglewood: hahahaa
[13:17] Sonja Zuta: she crashed
[13:17] Claudette Debruyere: pokes Carin 'Aye, spying'
[13:17] janette Inglewood: right Syd...answer please
[13:17] Carin McBride: ohh I think we are agreeing on treason
[13:18] Claudette Debruyere: Oh, I didn't hear that
[13:18] Syd Cicerone: Yes...treason against homestone
[13:18] janette Inglewood: no
[13:18] Syd Cicerone: oh no
[13:18] Carin McBride: no?
[13:18] janette Inglewood: anyone guess?
[13:18] Syd Cicerone: gives Jessie's team the finger
[13:18] Hazzard Ruby: Stealing Homestone?
[13:18] Carin McBride: you have an idea Jet?
[13:18] Claudette Debruyere: Betraying your Homestone in any way
[13:18] Jethro Button: sorry, still sorting myself out
[13:19] janette Inglewood: Theft of a homestone
[13:19] Hazzard Ruby: Yayyyyy
[13:19] Claudette Debruyere: By spying, stealing your homestone, taking up arms against it, stealing from it, etc
[13:19] Carin McBride: damit!
[13:19] janette Inglewood: Team A
[13:19] Carin McBride: I would say that is treason aswell
[13:19] Sonja Zuta: mme rubs her hands together
[13:19] janette Inglewood: Name 3 types of Law?
[13:19] Konner Aura: ,erchant law
[13:19] Sonja Zuta: Merc
[13:20] Sonja Zuta: mercant
[13:20] Hazzard Ruby: Civil Law
[13:20] Jethro Button: Merchant, Caste, City
[13:20] Sonja Zuta: civel
[13:20] Stefania Wildrose: city
[13:20] Carin McBride: Jet shh
[13:20] Sonja Zuta: yes city
[13:20] Jethro Button: sorry
[13:20] Sonja Zuta: law
[13:20] lacey Arentire grumbles about planes
[13:20] Carin McBride: hehe dont give Them the answer
[13:20] Sonja Zuta: hahaha
[13:20] Jessie Sinister: Initiate, Merchant, City
[13:20] Jessie Sinister: agreed?
[13:20] Sonja Zuta: yes
[13:20] Sonja Zuta: i aggree
[13:20] Konner Aura: yes
[13:20] Hazzard Ruby: Yes
[13:20] Jessie Sinister: Hazz, Stef?
[13:21] Stefania Wildrose: yes
[13:21] janette Inglewood: right answer please Jessie
[13:21] Jessie Sinister: Initiate, Merchant, and City laws, Lady
[13:21] janette Inglewood: correct
[13:21] janette Inglewood: team B
[13:22] janette Inglewood: Name 3 types of people who may enter any city freely?
[13:22] Syd Cicerone: initiates
[13:22] Jethro Button: musicians
[13:22] Syd Cicerone: musicians
[13:22] Kandyl Ghoststar: ammbasadors
[13:22] Jethro Button: heralds
[13:22] Carin McBride nods
[13:22] lacey Arentire: musicians,
[13:22] Claudette Debruyere: Ambassadors
[13:22] Syd Cicerone: kassa players
[13:22] Carin McBride: artists really.. right?
[13:23] Jethro Button: all artisitic types
[13:23] Syd Cicerone: how do we want to word it
[13:23] Syd Cicerone: intitates, artists...and ?
[13:23] Claudette Debruyere: 'Entertainers'
[13:23] Jethro Button: heralds covers ambassadors
[13:23] Jethro Button: yes
[13:23] Kandyl Ghoststar: ambassadors
[13:24] Claudette Debruyere: 'Entertainers, Civil Servants and......
[13:24] Syd Cicerone: intitates, entertainers, and ?
[13:24] Jethro Button: scribes can't just wander in
[13:24] Jethro Button: say ambassadors
[13:24] Claudette Debruyere: Pilgrims?
[13:24] janette Inglewood: Syd the answer please
[13:24] Carin McBride: and ambassadors
[13:25] Syd Cicerone: initiates, entertainers, and ambassadors
[13:25] janette Inglewood: hmmm...i dont agree with Initiates....ill let you pick another
[13:25] Jethro Button: assasins
[13:26] Carin McBride: yes
[13:26] janette Inglewood: its a moot point
[13:26] Syd Cicerone: assasins, entertainers, and ambassorders
[13:26] janette Inglewood: so.....answer again Syv
[13:26] Sonja Zuta: bc with a mark of the dagger on their cheek, Muscians ambassador
[13:26] janette Inglewood: yes
[13:26] Sonja Zuta: ops
[13:26] Sonja Zuta: m finger slipped sorry
[13:26] janette Inglewood: Ambassadors, Heralds, Players, Poets, Musicians and Singers, Assassins.
[13:26] Syd Cicerone: anyone else breaking out in a cold sweat here
[13:27] Carin McBride: me!
[13:27] Kandyl Ghoststar: me!
[13:27] janette Inglewood: Inititiates...not really..but you get the oint
[13:27] lacey Arentire can'ttell i won't load
[13:27] janette Inglewood: Team A
[13:27] Sonja Zuta sits up to attention
[13:28] janette Inglewood: What is the penalty for a slave striking a Free?
[13:28] Jessie Sinister: death
[13:28] Syd Cicerone: wow...i wanna be on team A
[13:28] Syd Cicerone: hahahaha
[13:28] Sonja Zuta: death
[13:28] Hazzard Ruby: Death usually
[13:28] Jessie Sinister: anyone disagree?
[13:28] Carin McBride: they get the easy ones
[13:28] Sonja Zuta: no
[13:28] Stefania Wildrose: no
[13:28] Konner Aura: no
[13:28] Hazzard Ruby: There might be circumstances it'd be OK
[13:29] Sonja Zuta: hmmm
[13:29] Hazzard Ruby: If a free was choking for example.
[13:29] Carin McBride: nope
[13:29] Sonja Zuta: hahaha
[13:29] Carin McBride slaps her hand to her mouth
[13:29] janette Inglewood: quiet please team b
[13:29] Konner Aura: to strike a free you would get the whipping of your life on the way to the spike
[13:30] Hazzard Ruby: Not so cut and dried I feel.
[13:30] Jessie Sinister: Torture and Death? Team?
[13:30] Sonja Zuta: death
[13:30] Konner Aura: id say death
[13:30] Konner Aura: or atleast the hand be cut off
[13:31] janette Inglewood: the answer please Jessie
[13:31] Hazzard Ruby: Death usually
[13:31] Stefania Wildrose: yes, death, maybe a gift for the sleen
[13:31] Sonja Zuta: may as well be deat as would be useless withouthhnds
[13:31] Jessie Sinister: I think, we are going to go with Death, though, perhaps a bit begrudginly
[13:32] janette Inglewood: yes...i want more than that
[13:32] Claudette Debruyere: (can a slave be tortured before death? I thought that was for free because well, they usually don't care about torturing just a slave?)
[13:32] Jessie Sinister: Torture, followed by death
[13:32] Jessie Sinister: by impalement
[13:32] janette Inglewood: correct
[13:32] Jessie Sinister lets out a HUGE sigh of relief
[13:32] janette Inglewood: of course Hazzard...there may always be exceptions...but the law as written says......
[13:33] Sonja Zuta: givestime to refleect on crie
[13:33] Sonja Zuta: crime
[13:33] janette Inglewood: Torture then death (impalement)
[13:33] Hazzard Ruby: Yes.
[13:33] janette Inglewood: Team B
[13:33] Claudette Debruyere: listens
[13:34] janette Inglewood: What is the punishment for someone who started a forest fire?
[13:34] Syd Cicerone: hahahahahaha
[13:34] Jethro Button: burnt alive
[13:34] Syd Cicerone: smokey the bear bites their ass?
[13:34] Carin McBride blinks
[13:34] Claudette Debruyere: Burned at the stake?
[13:34] Jethro Button: punishment fits crime
[13:35] Claudette Debruyere: A pit of fire is made around an impalement spike
[13:35] Syd Cicerone: holy crappers...ok...I'm agreeing with burned at the stake
[13:35] Jethro Button: ((Syd - yogi bear eats their picnic basket?))
[13:35] lacey Arentire: burned alive, i agree with
[13:35] Jethro Button: yes
[13:35] Kandyl Ghoststar: I agree burned alive
[13:36] Carin McBride: a bit harsh but goreans do value propety higher then anything
[13:36] lacey Arentire: trees have feelings....books even say so.
[13:36] janette Inglewood: answer please syd
[13:36] Syd Cicerone: I think we're all agreeing burned at the stake
[13:36] Claudette Debruyere: nods
[13:36] Jethro Button: not quite
[13:37] Jethro Button: burnt alve
[13:37] lacey Arentire nods with being burt
[13:37] janette Inglewood: answer please
[13:37] Syd Cicerone: burned alive on a stake
[13:37] janette Inglewood: burned alive is correct
[13:37] Syd Cicerone: whew
[13:37] janette Inglewood: no mention of stakes
[13:37] Claudette Debruyere: claps
[13:38] Kandyl Ghoststar lets out a sigh of relief
[13:38] Jessie Sinister applauds Team B
[13:38] Jethro Button nods
[13:38] Jessie Sinister: Well done!
[13:38] Sonja Zuta smiles
[13:38] Stefania Wildrose: claps
[13:38] lacey Arentire: did i win?
[13:38] janette Inglewood: Team A
[13:38] Hazzard Ruby: WoooHooo team B
[13:38] lacey Arentire: yay!
[13:38] janette Inglewood: What does "non compos mentis" mean?
[13:39] Sonja Zuta: notof sound mind
[13:39] Syd Cicerone: o.O
[13:39] Jessie Sinister: yes
[13:39] Stefania Wildrose: not sound of mind
[13:39] Jessie Sinister: That is our answer, Lady. Not of sound mind
[13:39] Hazzard Ruby: Im with that
[13:39] janette Inglewood: correct
[13:39] Konner Aura: agreed
[13:40] janette Inglewood: Team B
[13:40] Jethro Button listens
[13:40] janette Inglewood: In court, who is the Plaintiff?
[13:40] Syd Cicerone: the accused
[13:41] Jethro Button: person with the complaint
[13:41] Syd Cicerone: oh wait
[13:41] Syd Cicerone: right...the one with the complaint
[13:41] Carin McBride: the one accusing
[13:41] lacey Arentire: the accused
[13:41] lacey Arentire: er
[13:41] Kandyl Ghoststar: the one accusing
[13:41] Carin McBride: what Jet said.. the one that wishes to go to court
[13:41] Syd Cicerone: ok...so we agree...the one filing the complaint?
[13:41] Jethro Button: one who brings the court action
[13:42] Carin McBride: yes
[13:42] Kandyl Ghoststar: yes
[13:42] janette Inglewood: answer please Syd
[13:42] lacey Arentire: yes agrred
[13:42] Syd Cicerone: the one who brings the complaint
[13:42] janette Inglewood: correct....the accuser
[13:43] Jessie Sinister claps again for Team B
[13:43] Stefania Wildrose: claps
[13:43] janette Inglewood: Team A
[13:43] Carin McBride: I think I will pass out soon
[13:43] Sonja Zuta smiles
[13:43] Syd Cicerone now feels bad for giving Team A the finger since they are clapping....and whispers "sorry"
[13:43] lacey Arentire hands carin a wet cool rag
[13:43] Claudette Debruyere: laughs
[13:43] Jessie Sinister: mmmhmmmmmmm
[13:44] janette Inglewood: Why might You conduct a pre-trial report?
[13:44] Hazzard Ruby: To establish the facts of the case?
[13:44] Jessie Sinister: to insure you have gathered all the information you need, barring witness testimony to have the issues of the case already at hand
[13:44] Carin McBride takes the offered cloth and rest it to her cheek
[13:44] Jessie Sinister: ?
[13:45] janette Inglewood: quiet team b
[13:45] Sonja Zuta: sorry never quite understood
[13:45] Jessie Sinister: Team?
[13:45] Konner Aura: what jess said
[13:45] Sonja Zuta: let me read back and translate please
[13:45] Jessie Sinister: great, blame me
[13:45] Jessie Sinister: let me know when you're ready Sonja
[13:45] Sonja Zuta: to establish facts and see it is was worth bring to trail
[13:46] Sonja Zuta: sorry
[13:46] Jessie Sinister: don't be
[13:46] Jessie Sinister: team?
[13:46] Sonja Zuta: yes
[13:46] Stefania Wildrose: to gather all elements, testimonies etc
[13:47] Claudette Debruyere: For evidence
[13:47] Sonja Zuta: to establish if there is a case to answer
[13:47] janette Inglewood: the answer please Jessie
[13:48] Jessie Sinister: To have provided, a collection of the facts of the case, as they are currently known, to determine the best next step in the court proceedings and the charges on which the case is based
[13:48] janette Inglewood: hmmmmmm
[13:49] Jessie Sinister: (I'll buy you a paga)
[13:49] Sonja Zuta: lol
[13:49] janette Inglewood: i prefer sonja's answer....but ok ill accept it
[13:49] Stefania Wildrose: hahah
[13:49] Konner Aura: hahaha
[13:49] Konner Aura: paga always works
[13:49] janette Inglewood: To see if there's a case to answer.
[13:49] janette Inglewood: Team B
[13:50] Sonja Zuta slaps him on his bald head
[13:50] Carin McBride listens
[13:50] janette Inglewood: Explain the difference between Civil Laws and Sim Rules?
[13:50] Jethro Button: Sim rules are OOC, Civil laws are IC
[13:50] Carin McBride: ooc and IC mostly
[13:50] Claudette Debruyere: what Jethro said
[13:50] Kandyl Ghoststar: Sim Rules are OOC civil laws IC
[13:50] Claudette Debruyere: Sim rules are OOC
[13:51] Syd Cicerone: civil laws = gorean laws for that city..IC....Sim laws are for that sim...OOC
[13:51] Carin McBride nods in agreement
[13:51] lacey Arentire: sim rules are rules that are ooc, must be followed to rp there, civil laws are in charactor,mostthetimeyou won't get banned for not following
[13:51] janette Inglewood: pefect Syd
[13:51] Jethro Button: but may get you killed
[13:51] janette Inglewood: Team A
[13:52] janette Inglewood: An armed Warrior enters a temple. His slave, unbidden, follows Him. What is the crime here?
[13:52] Sonja Zuta: She is not allowed to look upon thd initaie or ente rthe temple
[13:53] Jessie Sinister OOC : brb, sorry, work
[13:53] Stefania Wildrose: the slave cannot enter
[13:53] Syd Cicerone slaps her hand across her mouth and wiggles in her seat
[13:53] janette Inglewood: Sonja be captain
[13:53] Sonja Zuta: yes Maam
[13:53] Konner Aura: its forbidden for a slave to enter the temple
[13:54] Long Range: riff Runner [64m]
[13:54] Konner Aura: they would be strick by the priest kings for doing such
[13:54] Sonja Zuta: Hazzard what says you
[13:54] Sonja Zuta: and you stef
[13:54] Hazzard Ruby: Hmmmm I'm stumped
[13:54] Sonja Zuta: ok stef
[13:54] Stefania Wildrose: slave cannot enter
[13:55] janette Inglewood: answer please Sonja
[13:55] Sonja Zuta: Yes
[13:56] janette Inglewood: the answer?
[13:56] Jessie Sinister: sorry...
[13:56] Sonja Zuta: well the answer is the slavee is not allowedin the temple it will be descrated andnthebpuiishhet is death
[13:56] Jessie Sinister: and...neither is allowed in
[13:56] Sonja Zuta: srry bad chat lag
[13:56] janette Inglewood: correct Sonja
[13:56] Jessie Sinister OOC : ggrrr...brb
[13:56] Sonja Zuta: thank you
[13:57] Claudette Debruyere: Yay
[13:57] janette Inglewood: The slave entering the temple is the crime, weapons are fine.
[13:57] Jessie Sinister OOC : bk
[13:57] Jessie Sinister: oh?
[13:57] Claudette Debruyere: Blasphemy
[13:57] Syd Cicerone: oh
[13:57] janette Inglewood: Team B
[13:57] Claudette Debruyere: listens
[13:57] Jessie Sinister: My understanding was weapons are not allowed in the temples, Lady?
[13:57] Hazzard Ruby: That was a hard one.
[13:57] Stefania Wildrose: they can enter
[13:57] Syd Cicerone nods
[13:57] janette Inglewood: Name 3 examples of OOC information that should be deemed inadmissable in a Gorean court of Law?
[13:58] Claudette Debruyere: Profiles, RP Limits
[13:58] lacey Arentire: tags, profiles,
[13:58] Claudette Debruyere: Umm
[13:58] Jethro Button: IM logs
[13:58] janette Inglewood: ((wrong Jessie))
[13:58] Syd Cicerone: groups belonged to
[13:58] lacey Arentire: and name tags
[13:58] Claudette Debruyere: Yes, tags
[13:58] Kandyl Ghoststar: profiles,tags and IM's
[13:58] lacey Arentire: tags, groups, profile info
[13:58] Jethro Button: IMs are OOC
[13:58] Syd Cicerone: ok...so what lacey said right
[13:58] lacey Arentire: umm
[13:58] Carin McBride: tags, profils, IMs and rp limits
[13:58] Jethro Button: defnitely IMs
[13:58] Jethro Button: local only allowed
[13:59] lacey Arentire: profile = groups?
[13:59] Claudette Debruyere: I would think so
[13:59] lacey Arentire: so profile info, ims, tags
[13:59] Jethro Button: correct
[13:59] Kandyl Ghoststar nods
[13:59] Syd Cicerone: Tags, groups, and IM's that are not whispers
[13:59] Syd Cicerone: that what we want to say?
[13:59] janette Inglewood: is that your answer Syd?
[14:00] Carin McBride: yes I belive so Syd
[14:00] Syd Cicerone: yes Lady Jan
[14:00] janette Inglewood: correct
[14:00] lacey Arentire: agrees syd
[14:00] lacey Arentire: yay
[14:00] Jethro Button: woot
[14:00] Kandyl Ghoststar: phew
[14:00] janette Inglewood: ok...there are 2 questions each left i hope we are ok to run a bit late
[14:01] Konner Aura: yup
[14:01] janette Inglewood: Team A
[14:01] lacey Arentire nods
[14:01] Sonja Zuta: yes
[14:01] janette Inglewood: Why are male slaves often exempted from wearing visible tokens of slavery?
[14:02] Konner Aura: cause they go to battle
[14:02] Jessie Sinister: it is not good for them to understand their true numbers
[14:02] Jessie Sinister: that is our answer
[14:02] Sonja Zuta: because
[14:02] janette Inglewood: correct
[14:03] Sonja Zuta: they also fight gmes
[14:03] Sonja Zuta: gamees
[14:03] janette Inglewood: Team B
[14:03] janette Inglewood: What is the primary reason that means earth girls can be subject to capture and enslavement?
[14:03] Jethro Button: barbarians?
[14:04] Kandyl Ghoststar: they are classed as barbarians
[14:04] Syd Cicerone: because thyey are not goreans
[14:04] Claudette Debruyere: Their innate slave reflexes and to be agents of the priest kings
[14:04] Jethro Button: = not having a Home Stone
[14:04] Syd Cicerone: oh...I agree with Jethro's wording of it
[14:04] Konner Aura: they where brought here to be slaves
[14:04] Sonja Zuta: no slave has a home stone
[14:04] lacey Arentire: i would say barbarians, barbanians are not gorean
[14:04] Syd Cicerone: they lack a homestone
[14:04] Kandyl Ghoststar: yes they are without a homestone
[14:05] lacey Arentire: no homestone either
[14:05] Syd Cicerone: Lady Jan...we agree...becuase they lack a homestone
[14:05] lacey Arentire bites her nails
[14:05] janette Inglewood: Yor answer Syd?
[14:05] Jethro Button: but Tarl got his dad's HS
[14:05] Carin McBride: I would say only batbanians as No slaves have a Home stone
[14:05] janette Inglewood: correct
[14:05] janette Inglewood: Team A
[14:05] Syd Cicerone pats Jethro on his head
[14:05] Jethro Button smiles
[14:06] janette Inglewood: Why might a tunic with a different coloured lining lead to possible impalement?
[14:06] Hazzard Ruby: Implies a possible atempt to impersonate another caste
[14:06] Sonja Zuta: false caste ipersonation
[14:06] Stefania Wildrose: because one can be believed another persone
[14:06] Stefania Wildrose: and caste
[14:06] Jessie Sinister: agreed
[14:07] Konner Aura: gaining entry to another caste can be looked on as spying
[14:07] Jessie Sinister: It implies the impersonation of a Caste that the wearer is not actually in.
[14:07] janette Inglewood: correct
[14:07] Sonja Zuta: e
[14:07] Sonja Zuta: yes
[14:07] janette Inglewood: Team B
[14:08] Sonja Zuta smiles
[14:08] janette Inglewood: Under what form of law should the denial of the existence of the Priest Kings be handled in the central cities?
[14:08] Syd Cicerone blinks
[14:08] lacey Arentire: the caste laws?
[14:08] Jethro Button: It's gotta Initiate or City
[14:08] Carin McBride: umm
[14:08] Jethro Button: toss a coin!
[14:09] Stefania Wildrose: laughs
[14:09] Kandyl Ghoststar: erm civil
[14:09] Jethro Button: Ah, does it only apply to initiates?
[14:09] Syd Cicerone: wow...ummm...I would say Initiate law
[14:09] Jethro Button: If so as Lacey said
[14:09] Syd Cicerone: no...we northerners have to hide our belifs
[14:09] lacey Arentire: initiates would handle
[14:09] Syd Cicerone: but not sure why
[14:10] Syd Cicerone: lol
[14:10] Claudette Debruyere: Initiate Law is the Highest Law
[14:10] Jethro Button: it is religious in nature
[14:10] Carin McBride: Highest law
[14:10] Jethro Button: And northerners worship pagan gods
[14:10] Claudette Debruyere: It is Initiates, Magistrates, Advocates
[14:10] Syd Cicerone: well then I'm gonna go with Initiate Law...though I'm not sure
[14:10] Jethro Button: Not in the north
[14:10] Jethro Button: Initiate I say
[14:10] Syd Cicerone: yeah but when we travel we have to sneak
[14:10] janette Inglewood: the answer please
[14:10] Syd Cicerone: ok....Initiate Law then?
[14:11] janette Inglewood: correct
[14:11] Sonja Zuta: iniates law yes
[14:11] Jethro Button: yay!
[14:11] Sonja Zuta: well done
[14:11] Carin McBride: ohh good
[14:11] Syd Cicerone: wow...score that one for Claudette...you go girl
[14:11] Hazzard Ruby: Well done team B
[14:11] lacey Arentire: yay
[14:11] Jethro Button puts his lucky coin away
[14:11] janette Inglewood: well done
[14:11] Jessie Sinister claps
[14:11] Sonja Zuta smiles
[14:11] Claudette Debruyere: Laughs
[14:11] lacey Arentire: did i pass?
[14:11] janette Inglewood: you got 15 out of 16 between you all
[14:11] Hazzard Ruby wonders if bug spray is illegal on Gor.
[14:11] Syd Cicerone: LOL
[14:11] Jessie Sinister: lol
[14:11] Stefania Wildrose: haha
[14:12] Claudette Debruyere: Holy.....Hazzard!@
[14:12] Sonja Zuta: it would avee to be big can
[14:12] Kandyl Ghoststar: lol
[14:12] Claudette Debruyere: Cries!
[14:12] janette Inglewood: team A win 8-7
[14:12] Jessie Sinister: Only near the temples
[14:12] Stefania Wildrose: yay
[14:12] Jessie Sinister: We all win!
[14:12] Sonja Zuta: yea
[14:12] Claudette Debruyere: They got easy questions though
[14:12] Jethro Button: grrrr. Kicks self for being late
[14:12] Jessie Sinister: We made it all the way through!
[14:12] Sonja Zuta: mmmmm
[14:12] Carin McBride: it was the treason one that killed us
[14:12] Sonja Zuta: good fu
[14:12] Sonja Zuta: fuun
[14:12] Claudette Debruyere: Exactly
[14:13] janette Inglewood: well everyone in the room has passed
[14:13] Hazzard Ruby: That was very good.
[14:13] Stefania Wildrose: mmh easy
[14:13] Jethro Button: yay!
[14:13] Kandyl Ghoststar: yay
[14:13] Stefania Wildrose: yesss
[14:13] Sonja Zuta: great
[14:13] janette Inglewood: thank You all for Your effort these last 2 months
[14:13] Jethro Button: Something to decorate my office with
[14:13] Sonja Zuta: ehehhehe
[14:13] Sonja Zuta: wowowow
[14:13] lacey Arentire jumps up and down
[14:13] Stefania Wildrose: hahaha Laceyyyyyyyy
[14:13] Syd Cicerone: Thank YOU Lady Jan
[14:13] Jessie Sinister: I'm very happy to have spent this time with you all and to share in your ideas and thoughts! <smiles>
[14:13] Konner Aura: it was a fun 2 months
[14:13] lacey Arentire: i can wear my tag now sonja?
[14:13] Hazzard Ruby: Pleasure meeting you all.
[14:13] Sonja Zuta: ok
[14:13] Carin McBride: as long as it was passed with a ... You can do it.. I am fine
[14:13] Sonja Zuta: if you must
[14:13] janette Inglewood: now go forth and spread fairness, justice and good rp across gor
[14:13] lacey Arentire: can i wear my tag sonja
[14:13] Syd Cicerone: yes...it was great meeting all of you too
[14:13] lacey Arentire: yayayayyaayay
[14:14] Sonja Zuta: thank you Lady Ja
[14:14] Sonja Zuta: i said yes lol
[14:14] Konner Aura: thank you Lady Jane
[14:14] Hazzard Ruby: Thank you lady J.
[14:14] janette Inglewood: you will ger certificates in a few weeks
[14:14] Kandyl Ghoststar: Thank you Lady Jan
[14:14] Jessie Sinister: Are we official now?
[14:14] Claudette Debruyere: It's not over for me and Carin, just yet
[14:14] Syd Cicerone: woot woot
[14:14] Jethro Button: Thanks Jan and fellow studes
[14:14] Stefania Wildrose: thank you Janette *smiles+ we should celebrate
[14:14] Carin McBride: thank you Lady Jan
[14:14] Claudette Debruyere: We still have tomorrow
[14:14] Jethro Button: paga all round!
[14:14] Sonja Zuta: wow cool
[14:14] Claudette Debruyere: Thank you very much Janette
[14:14] Sonja Zuta: make mine a giin
[14:14] Jessie Sinister makes note to avoid legalities for a bit.
[14:14] Stefania Wildrose: yes Claudete tomorrow
[14:14] Syd Cicerone: be good ya all...gotta go get my Daughter from drum lessons
[14:15] Jessie Sinister study, study, study
[14:15] janette Inglewood: whilst you have passed the couse...it is of course up to your homestones to appoint you Magustrates..that is not up to me
[14:15] Jessie Sinister: drive save, Syd
[14:15] Stefania Wildrose: yes lot of
[14:15] Claudette Debruyere: I really really learned a lot and you would be surprised at how much I ~use~ it
[14:15] Hazzard Ruby: Google, Google Google.
[14:15] Claudette Debruyere: Is there a way I cn show my support financially?
[14:15] Stefania Wildrose: be c areful Syd
[14:15] Jessie Sinister: lol@Hazz
[14:15] lacey Arentire: yay!
[14:16] janette Inglewood: so be well...and im always here to help in your future work
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